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Can we accept the Torah as a source

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נשלח ב-6/11/2005 07:33 לינק ישיר 
Can we accept the Torah as a source


for morality and ethics




Hi.

First let me congratulate you for opening this wonderful forum, one of a kind in the virtual world.

The question I'm about to throw here is rather a bit protective, but I think it should to be discussed, and I don't mean it in an offensive way.

It has been said by a few participants here in this forum as well as in the Hebrew forum (I've been reading it a lot lately) that though we happen to find repelling rules in the Torah as; killing innocent children, degrading women etc. We still should try to learn out of the Torah its many good values.

I wonder what would they have sad if they saw one that studies not ,God forbid, to become a Nazi but to learn just the few good –at least in his eyes- things from it.
I believe that everyone will be shocked when see it.

How do you define the deference between the both?
Is it possible to disregard the so many immoralities found in the Bible? Where should we draw the line?





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נשלח ב-6/11/2005 10:51 לינק ישיר 

Dear Grading,

Do you really think that this is what has happened in the evolution of the oral law?

I just saw that your question has been addressed at length in the neighboring cluster of Hassid_Emes, so we should maybe unite the debate.



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נשלח ב-6/11/2005 11:01 לינק ישיר 

If you believe the Torah to be divine then you wouldn't have asked this question. The answer then is up to you.

You can, if you feel like it, observe what you think is moral and leave the rest to the fanatics. If you so chose, you can use the Torah to manipulate your own needs - where morally you wouldn't do it but now the Torah gives you a guiltless way out. The choice is yours.

Since you mentioned the Nazis let me add that I have recently read (cannot at the moment remember where) some astonishing advantages that the Nazi regime successfully implanted in Germany economically. Of course, after Hitler declared war and brought on the tremendous suffering it ensued it is quite overlooked. Even in the long run Germany after the Marshall plan became a stronger nation then its neighbors, something that wouldn't have happened without WWII.



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נשלח ב-6/11/2005 14:39 לינק ישיר 

Hasid, You have probably read it in "The German Requiem"!?



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נשלח ב-6/11/2005 19:01 לינק ישיר 

No sir, I read it online somewhere as an essay. For the life of me I cannot find it now.



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