בית פורומים Atzor Kan Choshvim English

Is omnipotence provable?

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נשלח ב-13/12/2005 22:08 לינק ישיר 
Is omnipotence provable?

I would like to propose a question for the esteemed participants here and hopefully the knowledge and intellect that you all possess might rub off on me.

The age-old question discussed in the Hebrew Atzor ''can god create a stone so heavy that he won't be able to pick it up?'' has age-old answers, and has many derivatives. My question is, can God negate (לאַפס) a fact? The question is not if he can destroy a fact or erase it from collective history but if he can at the year 5766 make the fact that my grandfather died last year a non-event. Again, I'm not asking if he can make him live again, but if he can change that fact. In other words, is God beyond fact or does fact precede God.

Now, according to the Rambam who claims that God is within the realms of logic and does not precede it, as opposed to the school of thought that God as the creator of logic can produce a triangle with four corners, will he apply the same theory here?

If we can say that God is confined to the reality of facts and logic then could this be the base of Spinoza's theory that God is not omnipotent?

Who then can blame him for thinking like that? After all the ones who excommunicated him had no proof to the contrary.



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נשלח ב-13/12/2005 23:54 לינק ישיר 

Dear Hasid,

I think that the answer to your inquiry depends very much by what you mean by god (See Lev-Yodea's cluster). I will try to clarify through my understanding of the divine concept. The possibility that your memory will change or has changed is fathomable, therefore one may call it a "potentiality of god". However, a verbal contradiction means asking if god can be no-god at the same time. Such words defy their purpose of translating reality and thus become a mere word-game.



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נשלח ב-14/12/2005 00:22 לינק ישיר 

Rav Sachliel,

I precluded the memory answer in my question. I'm asking if god can negate the fact not create ways around negating it. It is not a word game and neither are the other questions. Creating a four cornered triangle is not a play on the word 'triangle' but the question is can a single shape be both, a triangle and a circle at the same time.

It can only happen if our logic is changeable and that is the question, is God restricted by logic and actuality or can he as the creator of that too overrule them.

My understanding of God is still the simple things I've been taught as a kid and until I can understand completely a different concept of God I will have to stick with that. I am open for suggestions and truly beg to listen and hear other views. This thread is my humble attempt to understand Spinoza's God, and it would be my honor to hear your idea on you conception of the divine.



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נשלח ב-11/4/2012 01:09 לינק ישיר 

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