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נשלח ב-11/6/2004 04:34

What induced these people to start this painful ritual? Who knows?
Preoccupation with ones sexuality is the most basic of human instincts; a sign of a person maturing is his sexual coming of age (think about the two hairs for a boy in Rabbinic law or the other forms of sexual development for a girls ''simoninm'') It's actually interesting to note that some Meforshim claim that Eitz Hadaas means Adam's having sex with his wife (Abarbanel?) so the allegorical story teaches us about the correlation between the two.
It would stand to reason that at the time when a person steps into his or her sexual and general maturity there should be some kind of serious ritual associated to it. No better place to practice that ritual than the actual symbol of this maturity, which is the sex organs themselves hence the male and female circumcision done at puberty in the prehistoric past.

Lest you jump at me for placing the origin of male circumcision to extra biblical cultures I would just like to refer you to the story of Dinah and Sh'chem where Shimon and Levi told Sh'chem ''we can't do this thing, to give our sister to someone with foreskin, for it is a shame unto us''. The fact that they could easily tell Sh'chem that ''it is a shame to us'' seems to show that it was somewhat of a known cultural practice in which those doing it were very proud of it. It is very hard to believe that only ten or twenty people in the whole world practiced it and yet the brothers thought they would convince Sh'chem of it being a shame for them to the extent that they would actually go ahead and do something so unheard of (let alone the pain involved).
That's not how I base the hoary antiquity of circumcision mind you; it's just that besides the historians saying so it seems to be borne out of the Torah proper.

But I digress from my main point, which is about the painful rituals in primitive cultures, which in turn should get us to question your argument about the ''hardship'' involved in accepting the Torah. [This is even if I agree that the Torah came as one whole package and there was a moment in the history of a nation where they made a conscious decision about accepting a complete new culture. It seems highly unlikely, to say the least.]

נשלח ב-11/6/2004 04:35

Dearest Baachi,
I do agree that you have a problem in understanding what I write but I'm not sure where the fault lies.
Take my post where I spoke about Deroshes Chazal, you understood that I'm questioning or even mocking them but if you will please go over this paragraph you would see otherwise
''You have found answers to the Old (testament) [possibly good ones] you'll find answers to the New. Don't want to bother? Fine, but why the innocence?

Can you see those little words ''possibly good ones'' or shall I try to post stuff in bigger letters?

My point was that you shouldn't be so innocently perplexed when you yourself are no novice to textual manipulation and rationalization
You maybe saw that you were misunderstanding me, but Sharey Terutzim Lo Ninalu so your Terutz is that I didn't put the punctuation mark in the right place, well well
Reminds me of the two Yeshiva bochurim who were eating at various Baaley Batim. One was complaining that every day he they give him Kasha (it being a cheap dish) so the other said; I am much worse off because I get excuses, different excuses why they didn't prepare for me etc. so I stay hungry, ''mit kasha ken men noch leben ober mit terutzim nisht''

Oh, and that Melamed of yours hmm it seems that we actually learned in the same Yeshiva but strangely enough I always remember him shouting at everyone ''do I need to spoon-feed you? Can't you think a bit on your own?

Uh oh, now I gave away my age.

נשלח ב-29/7/2006 22:45

תוקן על ידי - ספרן - 29/07/2006 23:05:08

נשלח ב-4/1/2007 12:51

הבחנה בין ה"בר סמכא" של היגיון אינטואיטיבי ל"בר סמכא" של היגיון פורמלי
http://hydepark.hevre.co.il/topic.asp?topic_id=2114409&whichpage=7
בסוף הודעת ווטו 1/1/2007 21:11

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בברכה.

נשלח ב-18/7/2012 09:00

"שכל ישר"

http://mafteakh.tau.ac.il/2012/06/09-5/