| נשלח ב-21/4/2005 01:48 |
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וער פארשטייט גיט צו מוזוק??
Who is your favorite musician, arranger, composer,singer, engineer, etc. and WHY?
Here are my opinions,, let's hear yours!
Musician:
That's a tough one lets say it can be broken down into two categories, rhythm, and brass. Rhythm: is a toughie but there is one musician that stands out , Yaron Gershovsky. His playing dominates the music. Even if in a quite way you can hear the ''Yaron signature'' there. There are other great pianists around for instatnce Yaron Gottfried, but his hands sound heavier than Gershovsky's you can really hear it in the fluidness of slow songs.
Brass: is much easier it has gotta be Avrum Felder from Israel. His performance in Mona3, the buzz, flight of the bumblebee was amazing. There is a runnerup in this category as well, Jim Hynes. His signature introduction to the song ''Someday'' is terrific but his control, range, and power does not come close to Felder.
Arranger:
Not easy again there are so many and everyone has great hits, Yisroel Lamm for all his great intros, Brass work, and string work. Moshe Laufer for his bringing out the melody. Mona Rosenblum for his creativity and newness. Ruvi for a very full sound and great ideas, Junior Laufer for his great work especially for using very few instruments to create a giant sound.
Composer:
That's also a tough one there are so many good ones out there, so we are going to have to break it down a little.
Older slow songs I can think of three: Moshe Goldman's Heegooleh. Yossi Green's Rochel Mivaka. And Carlbach Yizkiraim. Those are in my opinion timeless they are still great to listen to even today.
Older fast songs Also very tough but I think Shmuel Borger With Ani Mamin and Boroch Hagever.
Current fast songs, the belzer guys, for Simen Tov, Viyadee, Ki Atto, and Uvinee.
Current Hora, Yossi Green Daagah, Dido Bei, and Yirachmiel Begun L'mironon (before Ben Bag Bag )
Current slow, there are a lot but again one that stands out I don't remember who composed it but Efraim Mendelson sings it, Kayol Tarog.
Singer:
Who else MBD. Avrum Fried comes close, but not quite. Then of course theres Lipa, not a lot of singers can do what he can. I do not mean his ''shtick'' or his voice. There are very few singers that can write, and perform such complex harmony lines as lipa can do and no less on the first take in a studio. (happyjew what do you think?)
Engineer:
I don't kow maybe someone can help me, though JJ is a definite maybe!!
What do you think???
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| נשלח ב-21/4/2005 18:58 |
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Yes Lipa is extremely good with first takes and pitch
but there are others too
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| נשלח ב-21/4/2005 19:03 |
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and who might they be?
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| נשלח ב-21/4/2005 19:24 |
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I don't want to say names so the others don't feel bad
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| נשלח ב-22/4/2005 03:01 |
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איי איי אזא פארצווייגטע נושא, מר. בי-פלעט סאיז כמעט נישט מעגליך צו מאכן א קוגל פון אלע חלקים אין מוזיק אזוי על רגל אחת, אין יעדע קאטאגאריע קען מען אפשרייבן גאנצעטע אריכות
לאמיר נאר שנעל ענטפערן און ווען כוועל האבן אביסל מער צייט וועט מען שרייבן מער באריכות, סיי מוזיקאנטען און סיי עררענדזשערס איז דא סאך מער וואס די האסט נישט אויסגערעכנט (גינזבערג, האראוויץ וכו') אבער אויבען אויף בין כמסכים מיט דיר סיי וועגן גרשובסקי און סיי וועגן לאם הגם מדארף ענדעשר שמועסן וועגן יעדנס גוויסע מעלות
קאמפאזערס איז דא זייער אסאך גיטע כוואלט ענדערש ארויס געברענגט די בעסטע ניגונים פון יעדע קאמפאזער, למשל די בעסטע פון יוסי גרין (עוד ישבו, אדרבה תניא, דדא בי וכו,), קארליבאך, יגאל צעליק (קול ברמה, אור חדש וכו'), הערשקאוויטש (אין ערוך, רזא דשבת וכו,), וועבער (רחם, תפלה לעני, בן בג בג וכו,), גאלדמאן (אלוקי נשמה, משכיל לדוד, שמחתי), וכו, וכו,
זעלבע איז מיט זינגערס, פון די הונדערטער זינגערס איז פארשטייט זיך מרדכי און פריד אויפן טאפ אבער סדא אזויפיל נאך געלונגענע זינגערס וואס האבן געלאזט א רושם אין עולם הנגינה אז מדארף מאכן פאר דעם א עקסטערע אשכול
אינדזשינירס מיינסטו זיכער די וואס מאכן מיקס, לאשינסקי איז געוואלדיג, מארציאנא האט געמאכט רוב היימישע (אמעריקאנער) טעיפס און פריד רירט זיך נישט אן אים עד היום
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| נשלח ב-22/4/2005 03:16 |
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OK,, let's talk I am also in a rush,, B'dikas Chomitz,,, and to begin I hope that you don't mind english I just can't type in yiddish.
Ginzberg I know personally so I can't talk too much, and he's a very good arranger,,,,, but… we must remember London Boys ''moma'', He did a nice job with Michoool BUT…. It's empty; the only nice thing is the last song, only music. Hershkowits,,, in my opinion the chord progressions are way to fast it's more like Shloime Zeiger's style ( I don't know who copies who,) He did a pretty nice job with Lipa ''shma''. But there is one more that you forgot to mention …. Rigler, did you hear a album called Nissen?? The arrangements there are Gevaldig.
Your right I forgot Yigal Calek , and we really have to get into the specifics of engineering, maybe happyjew can help, there are so many things involved,,,,, Happyjew can tell you I like to EQ things so that's a big thing, then there is the actual recording, mic placement, delay, compression, types of microphones acoustics etc. I still thing that JJ is a foot in, but we can debate it , I will write more when I have time…….
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| נשלח ב-2/5/2005 20:56 |
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Lieb Yahov Riegler is a highly professional music arranger
I got to know him when we worked on Lev Tahor 2
The music is arranged by him
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| נשלח ב-3/5/2005 17:10 |
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Now that we are on the topic of arrangers I would like to pose a question:
Is more, better??
what I mean to ask is that today there is almost a standard in chasidishe music when it comes to the format of arranging music that goes something like this; Intro of brass section usually 4 bars, and then a break, or rest, and then the singer comes in or a guitar or a sax plays the actual melody line. I know that it's stereotypical of me to say this and of course it's not always that way,,,, but it seems that there is very little originality going on in Jewish music arranging today. After the intro you generally have a drum that's mixed to loud. A piano that's mixed to low, a bass guitar player that's great (maybe Conrad korsch?) A rhythm guitar that plays a wah-wah groove, and of course a brass section hit every few notes to syncopatically accent the downbeats. (What that means is,, to make it less boring!) And of course only brass hits after the first time that the singer has gone through the melody line (which usually consists of 8 bars of music, and a repeat and a varied 2nd ending.) Back to my question,,,, is more, better? It seems that we are putting more and better musicians into production, to do the same things over and over,,,,,,,can't we get a little original? Perhaps we could start a song with Bongos playing the intro lines? (There is a song that I have in mind where the bongos do that I'll give 10 points to whoever can think of that song!) Or a slap bass? The point that I am trying to make is let's do something different!!! Now regarding the actual song arrangement, what Lauffer Jr. did with Emor M'aht and those organs and that great rhythm is terrific he did it with very little if any brass, a small amount of instruments and it sounds great,,,, all this is just an example,, so the question is once again……………Is more better,,, or perhaps we should use less,,, musicians and equipment, and time but just get a little more original?????........what do YOU think?
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| נשלח ב-6/5/2005 00:15 |
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BTW Michael Schnitzler some times specifically requests the arranger to arrange some songs more empty
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| נשלח ב-6/5/2005 00:50 |
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it can be empty,, but there is empty that is interesting to listen to, and there is empty that sounds like it's missing something!
תוקן על ידי - bflat - 06/05/2005 0:52:43
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| נשלח ב-8/5/2005 19:32 |
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גוט געזאגט
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| נשלח ב-2/11/2005 02:06 |
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BFLAT the song you mean is MBD miracles on the english collection arr by Ken Burgess... now thats a guy who does interesting arrangements... in a good way
תוקן על ידי - hyde_talk - 02/11/2005 2:06:24
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| נשלח ב-2/11/2005 15:20 |
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BFLAT DONT YOU THINK HERSHI GINSBERG IS A GOOD ARANGER ????????
JUST A SHAME HE AINT LIVING IN THE STATES..
IF YES,,, BOY WOULD HE BE BUSY...............
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| נשלח ב-2/11/2005 16:02 |
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I am starting to rethink my opinion on Hershi, I got the new CD last night,, I am reviewng it as we speak, some really great work on it, it seems that Hershi learned a lot lately!, either that or he was given the time, and tools to do what he thought needs to be done, so Hershi is definetly up and coming!, I will post a full analysis on the new ginsburg album soon.
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| נשלח ב-3/11/2005 00:50 |
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Mr B, how do you rate Yuvel Stupell? What about ruvi banet? Avremi G? and how do you rate yaron gershovsky (i know you're a fan) as an arranger......
actually his orchestration is highly credible
all the arrangers i mentioned only to discuss their talents and how we accept their musical ideas - not on a personal level
תוקן על ידי - כורמיזא - 10/11/2005 14:36:14
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| נשלח ב-3/11/2005 01:17 |
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I am not familiar with Yoval Stupel,
Ruvi is a teriffic arranger,
Avremi G, and Shloimy Zeiger seem to get lost in their zeal to create very fancy music. It's always so busy, you have 40 chord changes in 2 bars,, horns playing 32nd's only in syncopation, it's a dizzying experience.
Yaron, hmmm this is tough,, I guess the best way to describe him would be to call him a true professional.
He is a pianist after all, so a lot of his horn arrangements are built on chords, maybe too much, but listen to his album, (The one with dido bei, and hamalach, and titanic) great arrangements there, hamalach is more of a score than just an arrangement!
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