Technology has evolved to the point, where we can record, mix, and master an entire album in your living room using a laptop computer (preferably apple).
There are thousands of tools available to the aspiring artist. This is a good thing for it gives many people the ability to output their creative ideas into a medium that can be appreciated by others. Up until today you needed to invest in a studio, or rent one to be able to do this
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In addition to these new music editing capabilities there also has been an explosion of products that are designed to imitate actual instruments
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There are programs for brass, drums, strings, guitars, woodwinds, etc. that are all controlled by something as simple as a keyboard, using MIDI, or there are many fancy MIDI controllers out there, ranging form a breath controller to an entire drum set that is made up of pads.
The controller is triggered by the user, and that in turn triggers the computer to generate a sound
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There are a few albums that have come out lately that have been totally created using these programs, what that means is that all instruments that you hear are fake.
Before I give my opinion on the matter I would like to hear from you all.
AND, can you tell when fake instruments are being used as apposed to the real thing, please give an example.
תוקן על ידי - bflat - 11/10/2005 20:39:56
נשלח ב-11/10/2005 22:24
ברענגסט ארויף א אינטערעסאנטע נושא, אבער פאר כגיי אריין אין די עצם הדברים, וואלט געווען א שיינע זאך ווען די זאגסט פאר אונז פשוטע מענטשן וואס מיינט דאס MIDI
איז דאס די ראשי תיבות פון מ'כון ע'ין ד'חת ע'ין?
נשלח ב-11/10/2005 22:52
Midi stands for Musical Instrument Digital Interface.
MIDI is a way to get electronic instruments to work together or to work in synch with a computer. Midi in itself is just a bit of data. This data can be sent between instruments as a trigger, meaning instrument A sends a signal to instrument B to create a sound, instrument B will then create that sound. It works both ways instrument B can send a signal back to A and A will create the sound. Another way is to program a bunch of midi data into one place, for instance a computer, and have that computer send out the data to a few places.
For example it would send out the data that was created for drums to a drum machine, it would send out the data that was created for a piano to a sound card, strings data would be sent to a different module, and everything together would be a band that is directed by a computer, that was programmed by you, that was played by machines!
Any other questions?
נשלח ב-27/10/2005 18:32
OK, now that you understand what it is all about what are your thoughts on the matter?
תוקן על ידי - bflat - 27/10/2005 18:31:58
נשלח ב-31/10/2005 07:37
שכויח פארן הסבר
כמיין אז דער פשוטער צוהערער באמערקט נישט די סארט זאכן אויב סאיז געמאכט גיט און פראפעשנל, אבער דאס איז א דבר פשוט, אז MIDI איז נאך היינט נישט אזוי שטארק סאפיסטיקירט אז מזאל קענען מאכן א גאנצע טעיפ דורך דעם אן דעם וואס סזאל זיך שפירן און מזאל עס הערן (חוץ אויב דער ציל איז אז סזאל זיין מער עלעקטראניש), סאיז נישט אזוי שלעכט ווי א וואן מען בענד אבער נאך אלץ נישט גענוג (כמיין אויך אז סווענדט זיך אין געוויסע אינסטרומענטס וואס איז שווערער צו מאכן סזאל זיך הערן עכט, ווי למשל דראמס)
וועגן דעם וואס די שרייבסט אז מקען היינט רעקארדן מיקסן און מעסטערן אלעס אין דיינינג רום דארף כדיר נישט זאגן אז סנישט ממש אזוי, טעארעטיש קען מען עס טון אבער סוועט זיך שטארק דערקענען אויף די end result
נשלח ב-31/10/2005 19:09
Interesting that you say Drums are from the harder things to sample
In the sampling world Drums are actually the easiest to sample and it has already been done quite good
What you mean is the way it's played or programed
If you sit down a professional drummer in front of electronic drum pads triggering hi quality drum samples
it does indeed sound very real
In fact some one told me that the drums on the Shomrim tape sounds like a one man band
(it is live)
and asked about the Milava Malka tape about the drum sound be cause it sounded real and live to him
and it's really sampled
and played with a keyboard
נשלח ב-31/10/2005 19:37
Firstly I don't recall saying that drums are particularly hard to sample, I think that you are right,, there has been major progress in the world of sampling in general, and with drums in particular.
I should say that I am prejudiced against using sound libraries in an actual production. When scoring I think that it is a great tool, maybe even for tuch-ups, but for a full project, I think that there is nothing like real music.
Back to the drums, the sounds are amazing, and the capabilities that the programs allow you are great,, but still it's not the real thing. There are so many little things that make a real drum kit work, like the ghost notes, or the expression, and that is very hard to duplicate.
I just recently reviewed a library of choir voices with a friend that's in the industry, and I must say that I was amazed at what you can do with it!, you can actually program words that you want the choir to sing,, it sounds great!
I guess it's a matter of taste '' al taam virayach, ein lhisvakayach!''
נשלח ב-1/11/2005 00:18
Listen Guys, i'm gonna keep it real short.
I've been doing midi programing for 15years, it's prety advanced and you can achieve amazing sounds and get a project thats hard to determine whether midi or live. This is well said in the secular market where one drum fill can occupy a full day in the studio, where the mix is done to the highest standard - and don't forget the highest budjet is on the mix.
B U T
In JM where we do a mix in a few hours per song etc. etc. etc. its just more ecconomical to bring session musicians in the studio and give lead sheets, ok some will give a little more complexed scores but its a chick chuck job. (Lets not get into the fact that everyone with a midi sequencer is already an arranger - and thats where we are heading)
If you want a good sound.... you get a guy that knows how to orchestrate not arrange... and then you can achieve a good sound.... live is still live and midi is something completely different.
unless you spend the amount that gets spent on secular music then you get a sound you want.
You musn't forget.... people treat midi as a substitute to a live drummer, bassist,brass, or strings and if you just use it like a
One-Man-Band thats the feel you get...
KEEP IT REAL
תוקן על ידי - bflat - 01/11/2005 1:02:09
נשלח ב-1/11/2005 01:13
Ok, you hit the nail on the head.
MIDI can be used to do amazing things, but you need an amazing budget.
How do you define orchestrate, what does he do?
נשלח ב-1/11/2005 06:36
b flat
מיין
post
איז געווען תשובה צו זיידיאנטשי
נשלח ב-2/11/2005 02:26
Arranging and Orchestrating are two different thing (although they normally go together) but in the secular music world especially on films you some times have music by.... and orchestrated by ... some one else.
The arranger is the one who determines the intro , interlude, ending and how many times every phrase is repeated etc..... thus he arranges the song . Then comes orchestrating which is setting the right blend of instruments to play the right phrase accompnied by a complementing friend within the orchestra. You can be a great arranger but a bad orchestrator... eg. if you mix the wrong instruments together you loose effects or get unwanted effects.. i once wrote a piece and gave it to a copyist. I once wrote a part for 4 trumpets, automatically the copyist assumed i meant a brass section and asuumed that i meant 2 trumpets and 2 trombones or 2 and 1. As an arranger you might do the same not realising brass does not always need the trombone (i'm not talking about a brass band) but as an orchestrator you do different things eg putting a french horn in a woodwind section (playing within their parts) where most people assume its strictly Brass.
תוקן על ידי - hyde_talk - 02/11/2005 2:26:33
נשלח ב-2/11/2005 19:46
can you post what it was that you wrote for the horns I would like to see it
נשלח ב-2/11/2005 22:35
only have the score (hand written) will try to get the parts but cant promise.
