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נשלח ב-16/3/2009 18:11 לינק ישיר 
חרדישע שטעלונג איבער די האקעלע נייע געזעטץ?

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נשלח ב-16/3/2009 23:45 לינק ישיר 

די פאקט האט געוויזן ליידער די לעצטע יארן אז יעדער אפגעפארענער משוגענער וואס זוכט זיך נוקם צו זיין אין זיינע עלטערן/מלמד/רבי אד"ג טראכט אויס א פאלשע מעשה און צושפרייט עס אויף די גאס, וואס מאכט מיך וועלן זיין קעגן די געזעץ.
פון די אנדערע זייט איז זיכער אז סאיז ליידער דא אזעלכע אויך צווישן אונז, און אזא געזעץ וואלט אפשר געקענט עפעס העלפן דערקעגן.
איך מיין סגעהערט פאר רבנים צו באשליסן, נישט קיין ארגאניזאציעס און נישט היידפארק.



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נשלח ב-17/3/2009 05:05 לינק ישיר 

אונז גייען דאך ממילא נישט אין ערכאות, איז וואס איז א נפק"מ וואס די געזעץ איז?

לגבי די עצם ענין דארף מען וויסען וואס גענוי עס האנדלעט זיך, ווייל די אמת איז א די געזעץ טוט בכלל נישט באשיצען קיין פעדאפייל, וואס גענוי גייט מען דא טוישען? אויב למשל גייט מען מאכען אז מען גלייבט גלייך א תביעה פין מאלעסטיעשען אהן קיין שום פארוואס און פארווען, איז עס א חוק פין סדום, אויב רעדט מען פין שטערקער מאכען די געזעצען וואס זענען שוין אויף די ביכער, וואס אייגענטליך גייט מען דא מען אויף טוהן?




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נשלח ב-17/3/2009 05:28 לינק ישיר 

די געזעץ פון וואס מ'רעדט דא, איז צו עקסטענדן די צייט ווי לאנג מ'קען אנקלאגן איינעם, און קיינער איז נישט קעגן די עצם געזעץ, נאר קעגן איין אמענדמענד, וואס וועט געבן א איינעמאליגע געלעגענהייט, פאר איין יאר נאכדעם וואס די געזעץ גייט דורך, וועט מען קענען צוריקגיין, און קלאגן ביז דרייסיג יאר צוריק...



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נשלח ב-17/3/2009 17:58 לינק ישיר 

Sexual Abuse Survivors Join Debate Over Extending Claims

Will Legislation Help Victims, or Bankrupt Churches and Schools?

By Rebecca Dube

Published March 11, 2009, issue of March 20, 2009.

Jews who say they were sexually abused as children by their rabbis are seeking to tip the balance in favor of a long-stalled bill that would extend the statute of limitations for child sexual abuse in New York State — legislation that could have far-reaching impact on some Orthodox communities as they struggle with emerging allegations of child abuse.

ARIEL JANKELOWITZ
Bound for Albany: Joseph Diangelo, who says he was abused as a child in a Brooklyn Hasidic community, boards a bus on March 11 to lobby the New York State legislature for a bill to extend the statute of limitations for claims of sexual abuse.

The Catholic Church, fearing crippling lawsuits, has lobbied strenuously against the bill and has blocked it in the State Senate for the past three years, even though it has passed with strong margins in the Assembly. But sponsors and supporters think that this year, the bill will finally be approved.

Mostly, that's because Democrats now control the state Senate and key Senate leaders say they are in favor of extending the statute of limitations. But advocates say that fledgling lobbying efforts by Jewish activists have also played an important role by demonstrating that child sexual abuse is not just a Catholic issue.

''The main complaint the Catholic bishops have is that it's targeted at them,'' said Marci Hamilton, a professor at the Benjamin N. Cardozo School of Law who is a leading expert on child sexual abuse and an advocate for the bill. ''When Orthodox victims came forward and started talking about their issues, it made it clear that they needed this protection, too.''

No less important, Hamilton said, has been the decision by Orthodox communal leaders, so far, to stay on the sidelines. ''When the rabbis did not join forces with the church, it spoke volumes,'' she said.

The legislation is expected to once again be voted on by the Assembly — and easily pass — by the end the month.

The bill would lengthen the statute of limitations for both civil and criminal cases. It also would open a one-year window for civil claims by victims whose alleged abuse occurred too long ago for them to sue even with the longer deadline.

So far, no Jewish organizations have formally opposed the bill. Advocates have heard rumors of Agudath Israel of America, an umbrella group for many Orthodox institutions, quietly lobbying against it; but its spokesman Rabbi Avi Shafran said the organization is formulating a position on the issue and hasn't yet come to a conclusion.

Meanwhile, Catholics are turning up the heat, and calling for Jewish leaders to join the opposition.

''Any organization that deals with children ought to be opposed to the bill because it opens them up to unfair claims. Clearly it will be devastating for the Jewish community,'' said Dennis Poust, director of communications of the New York State Catholic Conference. ''The reason statutes of limitations exist is because evidence goes away, memories fade, witnesses die. We think this is an effort to bankrupt the church and other nonprofit organizations.''

Under current New York law, alleged victims of child sexual abuse must file a criminal or civil complaint within five years of the abuse, or five years after they turn 18, making 23 the upper age limit. The Assembly bill, sponsored by Assemblywoman Margaret Markey, a Queens Democrat, would add five years, extending it to 28.

The church especially objects to the one-year window where individuals who allege they were abused decades ago can sue their abusers in civil court.

Experts on the issue — and the alleged victims themselves — say child victims can take many years, or even decades, after they reach adulthood to process what was done to them and act on it.

''Most victims of abuse actually don't come forward or start dealing with their abuse until their 30s, 40s or much later,'' said Joel Engelman, who alleges he was repeatedly abused by the principal of his Satmar school.

Like many other alleged victims, Engelman claims the school was made aware of the teacher's actions but covered up for him.

Engelman said his experience shows the need for statute-of-limitations reform. Unlike most victims, he came to terms with his abuse and told his parents about it when he was in his early 20s. When he and his parents confronted leaders at Brooklyn's United Talmudic Academy with Engelman's allegations against Rabbi Avrohom Reichman, the school removed Reichman from his teaching position.

But the school reinstated the rabbi last July — one week after Engelman turned 23 and was no longer able to sue. ''They flat out said to my parents: 'There's nothing you can do. Goodbye, we don't care,''' Engelman said.

Officials from the United Talmudical Academy did not return a phone call seeking a response to Engelman's allegations.

The proposed legislation would allow people like Engelman to sue his alleged abuser and also the school. But Markey says the bill's greatest impact will be identifying suspected pedophiles, thus preventing future abuse.

''Statutes of limitations are basically arbitrary, and it's our responsibility as legislators to support the victims,'' Markey said.

Previously, California, Minnesota and Delaware passed laws with similar windows allowing people to revive claims of old abuse. In California, the 2003 window prompted about 1,000 lawsuits, some 850 of which targeted the Catholic Church. Poust says the wave of lawsuits in California forced the church to settle many cases regardless of merit, forcing the church to sell off properties and decrease funding to poor parishes.

Markey is unimpressed by such complaints: ''It has not bankrupted anyone,'' the assemblywoman said. ''Most importantly, in California it identified 300 predators that were not known before. That's the real reason to do this — to protect others.''

In the past three years, four ultra-Orthodox rabbis in Brooklyn and their schools have been sued or arrested for the abuse of boys. When Brooklyn Assemblyman Dov Hikind, a co-sponsor of Markey's bill, asked listeners to his popular radio show to call in and report child sexual abuse, he got more than 1,000 responses — though, controversially, he has refused to release names of suspected pedophiles to police.

Meanwhile, as he lobbies for change alongside other abuse survivors, Engelman feels haunted by his own lost opportunity to pursue justice.

He said, ''I wake up every morning thinking, the guy's still in the classroom.''




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נשלח ב-17/3/2009 22:17 לינק ישיר 

דער שייגאץ אויפ'ן בילד איז גאר א "סערווייווער/וויקטים"?? נישטא ווער זאל לאכן..



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נשלח ב-31/3/2009 21:48 לינק ישיר 

http://www.thejewishweek.com/viewArticle/c36_a15313/News/New_York.html#



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נשלח ב-31/3/2009 21:53 לינק ישיר 

POSTED Monday, March 30, 5:30 PM

In a surprise move, a bill that appeared to have died in the New York State Assembly Codes Committee has been revived, causing concern among survivors and advocates for victims of child sexual abuse, The Jewish Week has learned.

The bill, sponsored by Vito Lopez (D-Brooklyn), was initially filed on Feb. 19 as an alternative to legislation proposed by Margaret Markey (D-Queens), but did not make it out of the Assembly Codes Committee - something that must happen before a bill can be voted on by the full Assembly. It has been reintroduced, with several changes, and is set to be voted on Tuesday, March 31 by the Codes Committee.

The Markey Bill, which did make it out of the Code Committee earlier this month and will be scheduled for a floor vote, extends the civil and criminal statutes of limitations for child sexual abuse. And, most significantly, it creates a one-year window during which anyone can file civil actions, regardless of when the abuse took place.

The Lopez Bill also extends the statutes of limitations, though by fewer years, but notably contains no provision for a window.

According to advocates for victims of child sexual abuse, opening a one-year window in which currently time-barred claims can be brought is crucial. This, they say, is because it typically takes victims decades to come to terms with their abuse, let alone feel able to speak out about it publicly. Those who support a window note its role not only in providing some measure of justice to victims, but also in identifying previously unnamed sexual predators, who most likely would otherwise continue preying on children.

"The purpose of the Markey bill is to expose the pedophiles who have been out there and hiding," said Michael Dowd, an attorney who has successfully represented Catholic victims of child sexual abuse. "[The Lopez bill] just ignores the central problem. If you were going to have a bill that made any sense, you would have a bill that had a window. If you want to have it apply to public and private institutions, fine. But not to do anything about past sexual abuse is not doing anything to uncover pedophiles."

Groups that supported the Lopez bill in its first incarnation include the Catholic Conference, the Sephardic Community Federation and the United Jewish Organizations, a Williamsburg-based social services organization. While Assemblyman Dov Hikind, who has publicly championed the cause of sexual abuse victims since last summer, was a co-sponsor of Markey's bill, he was also a co-sponsor of the first Lopez Bill. In fact, Hikind recently told the Five Towns Jewish Star that he was opposed to the window provision in Markey's bill and is now a co-sponsor on the revamped Lopez bill. Hikind could not be reached for comment.

According to Marci Hamilton, professor of law at Cardozo Law School and author of "Justice Denied: What America Must Do to Protect Its Children," "The correct name for the new Lopez bill is 'The Hide the Predator Act.' Unlike the Markey bill, this bill does absolutely nothing to help New Yorkers identify the many secret child predators in New York, who have been benefiting from the short statutes of limitations for decades. With the Markey bill, we have a proven method of finding the predators in our midst. The Lopez bill gives them continuing cover to abuse our children



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נשלח ב-3/4/2009 07:40 לינק ישיר 

כללטוער אפשר ווייל ער איז א וויקטעם איז ער א שייגץ.

יא עס איז נישט דא וואס צי לאכן!




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נשלח ב-4/4/2009 00:00 לינק ישיר 

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