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נשלח ב-26/7/2005 15:43 לינק ישיר 
נסים עראפלאן ...........מיט יידען jfk
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דער עראפלאן איז געוועהן אויפן וועג קיין ארץ ישראל
israair איז א נייע airline

עס איז געוועהן אסאך היימישע אויפן עראפלאן
נאר 45 פיס אפגעריקט איין עראפלאן פינעם אנדרע

100 miles א שעה
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July 26, 2005
A Dark Night and Then, 'Is That an Aircraft in Front of Us?'
By MATTHEW L. WALD
WASHINGTON, July 25 - With his plane hurtling down a Kennedy International Airport runway at nearly 100 miles per hour, the first officer of a DC-8 cargo jet looked ahead through the darkness and driving rain and asked the captain sitting at his left, "Is that an aircraft in front of us?"

The captain who gave the account was acting as the co-pilot, and as his eyes alternated between the windows and the instrument panel, he looked ahead but did not see anything. But the first officer saw what he thought were lights, the captain said, and asked again, "Is that an aircraft in front of us?" He swiftly took action, pulling back on the yoke and lifting the roaring jet's nose sharply into the air.

A disaster was averted by the narrowest of margins: the ABX Air DC-8 missed a fully loaded Israir Boeing 767, with 262 people on board, by 75 feet at the nose, the captain estimated, and as little as 45 feet at the tail, which was much lower because of the angle of the plane during its ascent. The July 6 incident, in which the 767 taxied onto an active runway shortly before 2 a.m. while preparing to take off, is being investigated by the Federal Aviation Administration and the National Transportation Safety Board.

In an interview on Sunday night, the captain of the cargo plane, Kerry McMahon, gave his first public account of the dramatic seconds when the two planes nearly collided. The first officer, who has not been identified by ABX, "did an outstanding job," Mr. McMahon said. "I'm glad I was flying with him that night."

Mr. McMahon said the two planes avoided collision because his plane was not carrying cargo and because the first officer decided shortly before takeoff to use full-power settings because of the weather. Had that not been the case, he said, the cargo plane would never have made it over the 767 flown by Israir, an Israeli carrier.

"We were empty," Mr. McMahon said. "To me, that's the reason we missed that aircraft. If we had been loaded down, we would probably have hit him."

The captain's account of the early morning of July 6 and the evening before, delivered in the dry tones of a professional pilot who once flew for the military, lays out - in sometimes harrowing detail - the countless minor events that brought the planes so close to each other on that rainy night in the middle of one the nation's busiest airports. A separate interview with an Israeli government investigator jibes with Mr. McMahon's account, and provides some insight into the experience of the Israir plane's crew.

Mr. McMahon, 56, said he had been flying for ABX, previously Airborne Express, since 1991, and that this was the closest he had come to a collision in civilian flying, although he had seen some near-collisions in his long flying career in the Army and the Marines.

The 767 had stopped halfway down the runway, at a place where planes about to take off are typically moving at more than 100 miles per hour, nearly fast enough to become airborne. The Israeli government's chief air safety investigator, Itzhak Raz, said Israir's crew members told him that they had seen the DC-8's lights and thought someone was taxiing toward them.

"I don't want to say it 100 percent, but it's very possible that at this time, they were like freezing for a second, praying to God not to have an accident," Mr. Raz said of the Israeli crew. "It was very close."

A spokeswoman for the National Transportation Safety Board said that her agency was still waiting for audio and radar tapes and other information from the Federal Aviation Administration. The F.A.A.'s preliminary report, which Mr. Raz said matched what he knew so far, found that the Israir plane had missed a turn onto a taxiway and ended up on the runway instead. According to Israir, which began serving Kennedy Airport from Tel Aviv in March, the plane held 250 passengers, 9 flight attendants and 3 pilots. The DC-8 carried a crew of three.

Israeli officials, who asked not to be identified because the incident is still under investigation, said the captain of the Israir flight had been suspended pending the outcome of the investigation.

Mr. McMahon said that he and his first officer and flight engineer reported for work the night of July 5 at the airline's Wilmington, Ohio, hub, as a "reserve crew," ready to fill in for pilots who called in sick, or to handle other unexpected problems.

And there was one: a DC-8 at Kennedy needed a replacement part, and Mr. McMahon and his crew flew in with one. The crew already at Kennedy took the plane that Mr. McMahon had flown in, with their cargo loaded on board, back to Wilmington. After the damaged plane was fixed, Mr. McMahon was assigned to fly it out.

It is typical at airlines for the captain and the first officer to alternate roles during takeoffs. In the flight from Kennedy, Mr. McMahon said, it was his turn to serve as the "nonflying pilot," and as the plane approached the runway, it began raining hard.

Airline policy at ABX is to take off at reduced power settings, a practice that requires traveling more distance on the runway before takeoff but limits wear on the engines, he said. But because of the weather, the first officer asked if he could use full power. "I said, it's your leg, you make the decision, and he said he's more comfortable with that," Mr. McMahon said.

As the plane accelerated down the runway, the first officer looked out the windshield and the captain managed the radio communications and focused alternately on the windshield and the instrument panel. The plane was moving at more than 80 knots, or nearly 100 miles per hour, when the first officer asked whether there was an aircraft in their path. Mr. McMahon looked but did not see one. It was far too late to stop, he said - they could have steered off the runway and into the dirt, but probably would have hit the Boeing anyway.

After the first officer asked again, "Is that an aircraft in front of us?" he pulled back on the yoke, lifting the nose, a maneuver known to pilots as rotation. But once he had spotted the passenger jet, he pulled back hard so the climb would be abnormally steep, Mr. McMahon said.

The captain estimated that his cockpit was probably only about 75 feet above the fuselage of the 767, and that since his plane was 187 feet long and was pointed up very steeply, the tail was much lower. Mr. Raz calculated that if the DC-8 were at a 10-degree angle, its tail would have been about 45 feet above the fuselage. Fully loaded, the top of the Boeing 767 fuselage is about 23.5 feet off the ground. The tail rises about 30 feet above that.

The unauthorized presence of a plane or other vehicle on an active runway, known as "runway incursion," has been a major concern for years. In order to prevent it, the intersection at Kennedy Airport through which the Israir plane mistakenly crossed has a line of amber and red lights embedded in the concrete.

"After we got over him and I knew we didn't hit him, I called the tower and told them there was an aircraft on the runway," Mr. McMahon said. The tower controller did not immediately respond, he said, and Mr. McMahon repeated the information, to be sure the controllers on the ground understood the problem before clearing another aircraft for takeoff. "Do you understand, that there's an aircraft on Runway 22, right?" Mr. McMahon said he repeated.

Mr. McMahon said there was a slight pause, and the controller replied, "Yes, we're talking to him now."

Mr. McMahon did not find fault with the Israir crew. He said that in the dark, it was easy to get lost. "I've been there with bad weather before, and I can put myself in the same position as the other captain," he said. "He basically missed that turn, and I can see why."

Mr. Raz said of the first officer, "It was a very good decision to take off and not to try to stop or steer from the runway." He added, "It was very, very lucky, that's for sure."



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Jet collision avoided by a fluke, pilot says
By Matthew L. Wald The New York Times
TUESDAY, JULY 26, 2005


WASHINGTON The cargo jet that narrowly missed slamming into a fully loaded passenger jet on a runway at Kennedy International Airport in New York earlier this month was able to avert a collision only because it was empty, an unusual circumstance, the captain of the cargo plane said.

Another reason, the captain said, was his co-pilot's insistence on using full power on takeoff, which is not the airline's preferred mode, because of a hard rain.

The DC-8 missed hitting an Israeli Boeing 767 with 262 people on board, fueled for a flight to Tel Aviv, by less than 100 feet, or 30 meters, according to a preliminary report by the Federal Aviation Administration on the July 6 incident. The report said the Israeli plane had missed a turn onto a taxiway in the heavy rain and had ended up on the runway instead.

The captain of the cargo plane, Kerry McMahon of ABX, said that, because of problems with the landing gear on the DC-8 his crew had been supposed to fly, it had been given a replacement plane that had no cargo.

"We were empty," he said. "To me, that's the reason we missed that aircraft. If we had been loaded down, we would probably have hit him."

The Israeli airline, Israir, which began flying to Kennedy in March, said it had reported the incident to Israeli civil authorities and would have no comment.

The cargo plane was moving at nearly 100 miles per hour, or 160 kilometers per hour, before the co-pilot spotted the 767's lights on the runway in the dark and through heavy rain, McMahon said. It was far too late to stop, he said.

The crew could have steered off the runway and into the dirt, but probably would have hit the Boeing anyway, he said. McMahon said he was not sure whether the 767 was trying to cross the runway or had stopped.

The Israeli investigator, Raz Itzhak, said that he had interviewed the Israeli crew and that the investigation was still at an early stage, but he said the 767 might have stopped at a spot halfway along the runway where planes on takeoff are typically moving at more than 100 miles an hour, just about fast enough to become airborne. The Israeli crew members told him they had seen the DC-8's lights and thought someone was taxiing toward them, he said.

"Runway incursion," or unauthorized presence of a plane or other vehicle on an active runway, has been a major concern for years; to try to stop it, the intersection at Kennedy through which the Israir plane mistakenly crossed has a line of amber and red lights embedded in the concrete.







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A warning system at Kennedy Airport to prevent planes from colliding on the runway wasn't working when a cargo jet taking off nearly hit a wide-body passenger jet earlier this month, federal officials said yesterday.

The reason? It was raining.

The system, which cost the federal government more than $90 million, doesn't work in moderate to heavy rain, officials said, and the rain was heavy on July 6 when an Airborne Express DC-8 was heading down the runway at nearly 100 mph toward a Boeing 767 that didn't follow a controller's instructions and ended up on the same runway.

It was just before 2 a.m. when the DC-8 was cleared for takeoff on Runway 22R. As the plane began its takeoff roll, quickly gathering speed, an Israir Boeing 767 taxied slowly across the same runway after it failed to follow a controller's instruction to make a left turn. The FAA is investigating why that happened.

According to Barrett Byrnes, a controller's union official in the tower, the pilot in the DC-8 said, "Somebody's crossing the runway," and a moment later, the Israir pilot yelled, "Somebody's taking off!"

But neither pilot could hear the other. The Airborne Express pilot, seeing the passenger jet in front of him, was able to lift off the ground at a steep angle and fly over the 767. A report filed by the FAA said the plane cleared the other plane by just 75 feet. The event, first reported in yesterday's New York Times, is being investigated by the National Transportation Safety Board.

"The last thing we need to have is large aircraft filled with passengers getting that close together," said Richard Healing, a member of the safety board, adding that only "luck and last-minute skill" prevented a massive loss of life. It's not clear how many people were on board the Tel Aviv-bound Israir jet, but the aircraft can hold nearly 300.

The FAA's warning system, used at 34 large airports, alerts controllers in the tower if a plane or vehicle is on a runway where another plane is about to take off or land. The system, which uses radar, was not operating on the morning of July 6 because even a moderate rainfall can cause the system to give false alarms, confusing water pooling on the runway with planes or vehicles. Tower controllers usually put it in a stand-by mode during heavy rains. The government has no plan to change the system.

But the NTSB is concerned that even that warning might have been too late to avert disaster. The safety board has been pushing the FAA for years to use a warning system that would issue alerts directly to pilots in the cockpit, not to controllers in the tower. The NTSB says the controllers have to warn the pilots, who then must react, which wastes precious seconds.

Byrnes said the controllers would normally take the Israir jet to the runway on a different taxiway further from the runway.

But that taxiway is being reconstructed to create more room for the new Airbus superjumbo, expected to start flying next year



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