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נשלח ב-24/2/2005 09:30 לינק ישיר 
נטורי קרתא אין ביירוט

פיר מעמבערס פון נטורי קרתא צווישען זיי ראביי אהרן כהן פון מאנטשעסטער, און ראביי ישראל דוד ווייס פון מאנסי האבען זיך באטייליגט אין א קאנפרענץ געפירט דורך א איראנער געוועזענער אינערן מיניסטער , מיטן באטייליגונג פון חיזבאלא אין חאמאס דעלעגאטען.



Rabbis at pro-Palestinian conference

Associated Press, THE JERUSALEM POST Feb. 24, 2005

The Jewish rabbi took the stage Wednesday surrounded by some of Israel's fiercest Arab foes.

But rather than being shouted down, Orthodox Rabbi Ahron Cohen's message was greeted by officials from Hamas and Lebanon's Hizbullah - both of whom are on a U.S. terrorism list.

Cohen, from Manchester, England, and three U.S. rabbis are members of the tiny Natorei Karta group, which opposes Israel's right to exist and Zionism.

"It's better to come here peacefully as a Jewish person and to show that we can live in peace together with our Arab neighbors and to demonstrate the basic wrong of the Zionist idea and I feel humbled and privileged by the opportunity of being able to come here," said Cohen at a conference entitled The Palestinian People's Right of Return to their Homeland.

The message of the rabbi was not new, but the scene was unfamiliar - rabbis and Israel's sworn enemies discussing the Palestinian issue in Lebanon, an Arab country still at war with the Jewish state.

Dozens of activists from around the world are attending the three-day conference, which has been organized by the International Union of Parliamentarians for the Defense of the Palestinian Cause. The union is headed by Ali Akbar Mohtashemi, a former interior minister from Iran, a fierce Israeli foe and sponsor of Hizbullah.

Lebanon once had a thriving Jewish community, but most of its members fled during this country's 1975-90 civil war and only a few are believed to have stayed.

The doctrine of Cohen's group says Jews cannot use human force to establish a Jewish state before the coming of the universally accepted Messiah.

Cohen added his group supports close ties with Arabs, particularly Palestinians, and rejects Zionism, the movement to establish the state of Israel.

"Zionists can in no way represent Jewry," said Cohen, who wore a badge pinned to his chest showing a Palestinian flag written on it "A Jew Not a Zionist" in Arabic, English and Hebrew.

Neturei Karta's leader, Rabbi Moshe Hirsh, considers himself a Palestinian Jew. The group has frequently participated in pro-Palestinian activities, including a visit to the grave of Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat in Ramallah, in November.

Hamas' Lebanon representative, Osama Hamdan, said his group respects Jews.

"Our real problem is with (Israeli) occupation and if this occupation tries to say it belongs to a certain religion than that is its own problem," Hamdan said.

Abdullah Kassir, a Hizbullah member of the Lebanese Parliament, said Jews are people "who we respect and coexist with like other societies. We are against Zionism that represents a racist ideology that usurped the land of Palestine."

But despite the apparent warmth the rabbis were shown, bodyguards who were apparently Hizbullah members were at their sides and conference organizers warned them not to walk around in Beirut on their own since people here are not used to their sight.

The rabbis said they didn't know if they will meet Hizbullah leader Sheik Hassan Nasrallah, who regularly condemns and threatens Israel.

"We hope to meet whoever is willing to meet with us," said one of the American rabbis, Dovid Weiss, of Monsey, New York.

"Jews, Arabs, Jews and Muslims can live together, (and) have been living together. We will live together in peace."


This article can also be read at http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=JPost/JPArticle/ShowFull&cid=1109181979192&p=1101615860782







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נשלח ב-1/3/2005 21:53 לינק ישיר 

עטליכע גוטע לינקס

http://www.dailystar.com.lb/article.asp?edition_id=1&categ_id=2&article_id=12963

http://nkusa.org/activities/conferences/lebanon0205.cfm

http://nkusa.org/



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נשלח ב-25/2/2005 20:21 לינק ישיר 

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מנין מיט גרויסע בערד איז דא דארט בשפע.



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נשלח ב-24/2/2005 20:04 לינק ישיר 

Rabbis pray for Palestinian return and dismantling of state of Israel
Orthodox jews of Neturei Karta in beirut for conference
Thursday, February 24, 2005

BEIRUT: Four rabbis answered unequivocally in Beirut Wednesday with a resounding "yes" as to whether Palestinians should have full sovereignty over all of the Holy Land and to the Palestinian refugees' right to return.

"We demand without compromise the peaceful, concrete dismantling of the state of Israel ... it should be removed, and self-rule should be returned to the Palestinian people. We pray and hope this happens peacefully and speedily in our time," said Rabbi Yisrael Dovid Weiss from the Neturei Karta International (NK) organization, the Aramaic term for Guardians of the City.

The rabbis or "Jews United Against Zionism" - as they call themselves - are all members in NK and were participating in a three-day conference that gathered Arab parliamentarians, sheikhs, priests and scholars at Beirut's Safir Heliopolitan Hotel to discuss the Palestinian refugees' right to return.

"One area of our religion is that subject to certain conditions we will be given a land, the Holy Land, now known as Palestine ... the conditions were that we had to maintain the highest level of moral, ethical and religious standards," said Rabbi Ahron Cohen, from London's NK branch.

The Jewish people did have the land for the 1,500 years of their existence, and have been in a state of exile decreed by the Almighty for the last 2,000 years because they did not maintain the standards God expected from them, explained Rabbi Cohen.

"It is a basic part of our belief," he added, "to accept willingly the heavenly decree of exile and not to try and fight against it or end it by our own hands.

Rabbi Weiss, from the New York NK branch, explained that "Jews were expressly forbidden to make any attempt to go back en masse as a nation, or to rebel against any nation or to attempt in any manner to end their exile to avoid tragic, catastrophic results."

"Torah-faithful Jews believe that at the end of days when the creator chooses to redeem all mankind, then all people will join in the worship of God ... It will be a time of universal brotherhood with its spiritual center in the Holy Land ... until then the Jewish people have a task in exile and have to accept in faith this exile," he added.


Weiss said Jews believe the Messiah will come and make people repent, and that it is very clear in Judaism the time and place of his appearance will remain unknown.

"Theodore Herzl (the father of Zionism) made some 100 years ago an attempt to end our exile; he disobeyed the teachings of the Torah and decided that he should found a country for Jews. What he wanted to do is to transform the Jewish nation from a holy and godly nation into a physical and materialistic nation ... that has nothing to do with the Jews' holiness," he added.

Zionism wants to rip Judaism from its godliness and holiness, explained the rabbi.

"That is why our religious leaders who participate in the Israeli government do not for instance raise Israeli flags on their buildings and are not members in the army," he said.

According to the rabbis, Palestinians are the victims of the Zionist movement's moral blindness and obstinate refusal to take into account the existence of others. The Palestinians, they add, have the right to their homeland and to financial restitution for property loss and damages inflicted upon them over the past decades.

Peter Spagnuolo, an American journalist who frequently writes about the Neturei Karta, explained that it is very likely to run into Rabbi Weiss and his colleagues burning an Israeli flag in the heart of New York City, with no media attention.

"The reason could be that the media in the [United] States shy away from anything that requires a certain level of education and because a lot of the Orthodox Jews keep it quiet as they are busy with their lives, but still they oppose the state of Israel and pray for its speedy [and] peaceful dismantlement," said Spagnuolo.

Neturei Karta believes the true Israel can only be re-established with the coming of the Messiah. They number some 5,000 and are concentrated in Jerusalem. Other, larger NK-associated groups can be found in Israel, London, New York City and upstate New York.

http://www.dailystar.com.lb/article.asp?edition_ID=1&article_ID=12930&categ_id=2



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