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| נשלח ב-14/2/2006 05:24 |
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Analog Vs. Digital
i think that the subject of analog vs. digital goes beyond the actual sound of analog and digital.
true, analog has that certain sound, and in some instruments it can sound very pleasing but bear in mind that the sound that you're hearing isnt an exact replica of the original source. the "saturation" that you're hearing is an addition to the signal. with digital what you hear is whats happening ( not always a good thing
now as to my opinion on the subject: i think that now adays people are so busy with getting that vintage sound that the whole production suffers. people are spending thousands of dollars on soundelux and neumann mics on vintage preamps and compressors, on plug-ins that emulate vintage sound (kind of an oxymoron, no?) if they only focus as much on the recording process as they do on equipment.
i once heard a soundclip from someone who wanted to express the importance of mic placement, he had recorded a drumset, had mixed it, eq'd, etc etc and dared anyone to guess the combination of mics he had used. turns out he had recorded the whole set from overheads to bass drum with ......... yup you guessed it the famous SM57.
now im not saying that quality mics dont sound better, but what i am saying is that mic PLACEMENT is so much more important.
and the same goes for the actual production as well. if a great producer will work on a recording and he will use great musicians and a great arranger, mixing and mastering enigineers and the actual songs and singers will be great, when you will hear the final product you will be so amazed that you wont even BEGIN to think "hmmmmm...... its missing that analog sound"
so this is how stuff ranks in the audio world in my opinion
1production by this i mean content of the recording
2musicians and singers
3mixing/ mastering engineer
4recording engineer
5equipment, mics pre's compressors etc etc
Your opinions please.
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| נשלח ב-17/2/2006 18:35 |
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which brings us to a whole different topic, real instruments vs. fake
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| נשלח ב-16/2/2006 18:36 |
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Personal opinion
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song
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song
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song
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Star singer
like Amit
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Arranger
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type of music - live or sampled/synth
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recording
studio
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mix
911
ויבקש רחמים
תוקן על ידי - happyjew - 16/02/2006 18:53:37
תוקן על ידי - happyjew - 16/02/2006 19:07:36
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| נשלח ב-16/2/2006 18:11 |
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Symphonic Orchestra?????? what am i missing here
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| נשלח ב-16/2/2006 16:49 |
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He be very busy conducting his virtual symphonic orchestra, I hear that the Koh Ribon song is a massive hit
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| נשלח ב-16/2/2006 15:03 |
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wow, you think that recording engineer is more important than composition? must be that in turkey we do things differently
i wonder why happyjew isnt doing us the honor of giving us his opinion? I
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| נשלח ב-16/2/2006 10:51 |
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oh and the ranking...........yhis is my version
1...mix
2...singer
3...music (arranger, musicians) etc
4...recording engineer
5... etc .compositions
7/8...recording equipment
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| נשלח ב-16/2/2006 04:00 |
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Oh you not gonna get me started on this subject turkey (just kidding() but even though you are 100% right about
contents but digital vs. analogue is a very touchy subject with no right or wrong..... it's up to the individual.... and in my
case the indi likes the analogue better.... you know its kinda like cooking a chicken soup and putting in a measured
amount of ingredients and cooking it for a very exact time the exact same amount of salt grains cooked is a sterile
inviroment...... the good old haimishe chicken soup were you just pour the salt, add to ingridients, over cook - under
cook etc etc will taste betterand will be more authentic.
Digital is not the exact recxording the way the instrument sounds.... it's processed and filtered much more and lacks the
life and authenticity.... in my HUMBLE opinion.
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| נשלח ב-15/2/2006 06:38 |
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Bottom Line......... with a great production it really doesnt matter! I
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| נשלח ב-15/2/2006 02:28 |
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So bottom line, analog or digital? l
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| נשלח ב-15/2/2006 02:18 |
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ok mr. B-Flat, here me out.
first of all i think that the producer is tied very closely with the actuall content of the recording, as a producer will only work with content that he feels meets his standards.
second, musicians play an important roll in the performance and i think your statement is plain and simple WRONG. you can give the same sheet to avi singolda and lets say for example mike coon and i guarentee that it wont sound the same. and the same goes for every other instrument, rick cutler and asher pedi, arkady kofman and peter vertheimer, etc etc.
oh and kudos on your comments on mixing, i agree 100%, never mix your own recordings
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| נשלח ב-14/2/2006 19:33 |
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OK MUZAKAL
This is a toughie
Here is are some of my opinions
Content and producing are two different things all together, good content is of course key, and a good producer will bring it all together, and even save you some money
The musicians are really only as good as the arrangement is, if you have good arrangements that are properly written any studio musician will be able to perform somewhat ''up to par'' with your expectations
The singers, ay ya yay what a touché subject. A lot of us make money on people that have wonderful dreams and perhaps not so wonderful voices. A person with a phenomenal voice will not necessarily be successful and there are those with the voice of a crow that have made it, I think that ''content'' plays a huge role, and of course marketing! If you can convince people that your product is the best they will buy it regardless of quality
Recording Engineers are very important, as they are the first step in putting sound waves to tape, (or disc). If they do a lousy job it will be felt all the way down the line. There are many tricks and techniques to proper mic'ing. I think that most engineers want to get a sound that's as natural as possible personally I think that the '57 is a great mic to use be it in studio or on a live gig. I can't get into the details 'cause I am really not that familiar but there are different placements for all kinds of scenarios, i.e. strings, horns, woodwinds, vocals, drums, and a combination of any of those, I have played in studios where the engineer has had me play in every corner of the room 'till he found the ''sound'' that he liked but that's what makes a great recording engineer, a person that knows what he, or his client is looking for and KNOWS how to achieve that as naturally as possible
Mixing is a subject that we can fill pages on. His job is to make everything sound pleasant. All I will say on the subject is in my opinion, it is best to find a mixing engineer that did not have any ties to the project up to this point, that includes recording, ALSO it is best to find an engineer that does not play any of the instruments that he is mixing, 'cause inevitably he will mix the music to bring out the sound that is most pleasing to HIS ear, rather than what the producer, and in turn the general public would have liked to hear
Mastering simply put is leveling everything out, EQ etc. a good mastering engineer will put the perfect polish on your project, but the polishing is only as good as the subject content therein
Compressors etc. as I am not an engineer I will leave it to the engineers of the forum to comment
תוקן על ידי - bflat - 14/02/2006 19:34:34
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