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ברעיקינג: פעדעראלע קארט קעיס קעגן קר''י ווילידזש

אי''ה דעם דונסטאג יוני 14 למספרם וועט די פעדעראלע געריכט אויסהערן די קעיס אקעגן די קר''י ווילידזש אין די פובליק סעפטי איבער די רביצין שוהל.
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Kiryas Joel: Theocracy in America


This past Monday, Federal Judge Jed Rakoff of the Southern District of New York issued a major, press-worthy ruling in which he voided the $285 million settlement that the Securities and Exchange Commission had forged with Citigroup. Much less noticed was another decision by Judge Rakoff rendered the same day. He turned back efforts by a group of self-described "dissidents" to dissolve the community in which they live: Kiryas Joel, N.Y.

Kiryas Joel is a legally recognized municipality about 50 miles outside of New York City in Orange County. Its population of 22,000 residents is made up almost entirely of members of the Satmar branch of Hasidic Judaism. To the outside world, Kiryas Joel appears as an island of uniformity; bearded men wear dark suits and hats, and bewigged women wear long sleeves and skirts. Owing to the extraordinarily high birth rate, the community's children under the age of 18 make up an astonishing 60% of the population, three times the percentage in New York state. With this kind of demographic uniformity and density, the community has been able to inculcate the distinctive values of traditionalist Orthodoxy -- ritual stringency, endogamy and lifelong Torah education. The community's particular social norms are reflected in a welcome sign that greets visitors to Kiryas Joel, asking them to dress modestly, use appropriate language and even "maintain gender separation in all public areas."

In this regard, Kiryas Joel would seem to represent a great success story, indeed, the fulfillment of the vision of the community's first leader, Satmar Grand Rabbi Joel Teitelbaum (1887-1979), after whom the village was named. It was Rabbi Teitelbaum's dream to build a community outside of Williamsburg, Brooklyn, where he had settled in 1946 with several dozen followers after the Holocaust. There it would be possible not only to provide adequate housing to the rapidly growing families of the Satmar community, but to escape the seductions and dangers of big-city life in Brooklyn. Rabbi Teitelbaum's long-standing desire to create a "shtetl," by which he intended a site of insular purity, prompted his lieutenants to search out available property in the New York metropolitan area for decades. Finally, in 1974, land began to be purchased and the first Satmar settlers arrived in the Town of Monroe, N.Y. Initially, the community's leaders did not want to incorporate as a village, and thereby assume full responsibility for the social services and finances of Kiryas Joel. But constant tensions over zoning issues between Monroe Town officials and the new Hasidic residents ultimately led the Satmar Hasids to seek -- and gain -- incorporation in March 1977. At that point, a religious enclave, comprised of private landholders, became a legally recognized public square -- a local government of, by and for the community of Satmar Jews.

Abundant signs attest to the community's rapid growth, none more than the fact that it doubles in population every 10 years. But in certain key respects, the idyll of Kiryas Joel began to unravel shortly after its birth. Rabbi Teitelbaum died in 1979, setting off a series of bitter succession battles that now embroil two great-nephews, Aron and Zalman Teitelbaum. Over the course of those battles, the "dissidents," now loosely aligned with Rabbi Zalman, have sought to diminish the power of the mainstream establishment faction, now under the control of Rabbi Aron. These efforts have even prompted the dissidents to seek the formal dissolution of the Village of Kiryas Joel on a number of prior occasions, in 1994 and 1999-2000. Represented by former NAACP Legal Defense Fund lawyer Michael Sussman, the dissidents filed suit again in 2011 alleging that Kiryas Joel is a "theocracy" whose "very existence" stands in violation of the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment.

Judge Rakoff threw out the dissidents' suit on both procedural and substantive grounds. He reasoned that a number of claims advanced by the plaintiffs had already been heard and dismissed, and thereby failed the standard of res judicata. He also argued that a number of those alleging injury were in fact non-parties to the suit, and thus had no standing.

On the substance of the matter, Judge Rakoff wrestled directly with a series of interlocking claims that the Village not only permits, but is a form of state-based establishment of religion. The plaintiffs argued that the Village's "governmental affairs are impermissibly intertwined with those of Congregation Yetev (i.e., the synagogue of Chief Rabbi Aaron Teitelbaum)." All Village officials, they continued, are members of the Congregation. More particularly, the Village Mayor serves as Head of the Congregation, effectively erasing the boundary between state and synagogue.

The plaintiffs also alleged that the Village requires all developers of multi-family dwellings in the Village to construct a Community Room or else face a $5,000 per unit fine. The primary purpose of the Community Room law, the dissidents claim, is "to advance religion," since its serves principally as a venue for religious activities. Together, the plaintiffs claimed, the various actions on the part of local officials rendered the Village, in substance, if not in form, a "theocracy."

Judge Rakoff roundly rejected this claim. Responding to the argument about the permeable boundary between the Village and the Congregation, he invoked two earlier cases: McDaniel v. Paty, a case from 1978, in which the Supreme Court held that "the Establishment Clause does not bar an individual from holding public office simply because he is a member of the Clergy," and Kiryas Joel v. Grumet, a 1994 decision that addressed the constitutionality of municipal institutions in Kiryas Joel. Grumet struck down a New York statute creating a public school district in Kiryas Joel. It is often mistakenly viewed as having condemned the kind of fusion of religious and political establishments that exists in the Village. In fact, it did nothing of the kind. Rather, it affirmed the core principle of McDaniel -- that individuals are not barred from holding public office by virtue of their religious beliefs -- and extended it by explicitly stating that a community is not disqualified from establishing its own local government institutions merely because the residents of the community happen to be members of the same religious community.

Relying on these precedents, as well as the more recent case of McCreary County v. ACLU, in which a narrow majority of the Court struck down a public display of the Ten Commandments, Judge Rakoff dismissed the argument about the porous boundary between religion and politics in Kiryas Joel. He proved somewhat more sympathetic to the claim about the Community Room law, and left open the prospect for the plaintiffs to amend their suit to demonstrate actual injury issuing from the law. But, at the end of the day, and despite the hopes and expectations of the plaintiffs, Judge Rakoff upheld the legal validity of Kiryas Joel, New York. In doing so, he rejected the proposition that the Village constitutes an impermissible "theocracy," and affirmed, perhaps unintentionally, another well-established American tradition: the granting of government sanction to strong forms of religious sub-communities, even (or perhaps especially) those whose norms of governance and behavior are illiberal and seemingly in contradiction to American constitutional values and norms.

To be sure, the term "theocracy" is a loaded one in contemporary political discourse, largely because it is most commonly used to conjure up the fear of a radical, nuclear-tipped Islamic polity. The courts, certainly, have not given any fixed meaning to the term, and it remains unclear just what a "theocracy" is, let alone when, if ever, theocratic government is proscribed. What is clear is that American constitutional law does not necessarily condemn the establishment of governments by, for and of a particular (illiberal, religious) sub-community. American courts have repeatedly approved the formation of private self-governing enclaves by religiously homogeneous communities. Kiryas Joel thus falls into a long American tradition of robust support for religious sub-communities, a tradition that enables private communities to form and then, once formed, to translate their private power into political power. Judicial respect for the autonomy of religious sub-communities has been expressed in a number of important decisions, most notably, the case of Wisconsin v. Yoder (1972), in which the Supreme Court affirmed the right of the Amish to protect their insular, communitarian and pervasively religious way of life by not sending their children to school.

This is not to say that America's constitutional culture is unambivalently committed to protecting the rights of religious groups to form their own self-governing enclaves. Far from it, as the history of the Mormon Church amply illustrates. Indeed, the Mormons' history of confrontation with the federal government is the sharpest rejoinder to the claim that the Constitution protects the right of religious subgroups to form their own governments. From the moment of its inception, throughout the 19th century, the U.S. government waged a relentless campaign to stamp out the Mormon Church and, above all, to prevent it from establishing its own state government. The Supreme Court strongly sided with the government's actions. Despite this campaign, the Mormon Church not only survived, but thrived. More to the point, in the end it succeeded in founding its own state: Utah, a place not just of refuge from persecution, but of active self-governance through the formation of state and local government institutions that answer to the values and preferences of the local (Mormon) population.

Does that make Utah a "theocracy"? The answer to that question turns on semantics. Some who deny that claim will note that non-Mormons are free to live -- and vote -- in Utah. Similarly, non-Satmars are free as a matter of American law to live and vote in Kiryas Joel; nor is there a Village ordinance barring non-Satmars or denying them equal rights. That said, there is intense pressure within the community to avoid selling or renting to those who do not adhere to a strictly observant lifestyle. Moreover, there can be little doubt that the ultimate authority in matters spiritual and temporal is Rabbi Aron Teitelbaum. Defying his word has real consequences in the Village's civil and religious life, which indeed are so entwined as to be indistinguishable. We might say that this is a most regrettable violation of the vaunted doctrines of liberalism on which this Republic was built. But one must also ask whether Kiryas Joel does not in fact attest to another long-standing American tradition -- the potent strain of communitarianism -- which permits difference and segregation, not least religious difference and segregation. Seen from that angle, Kiryas Joel, N.Y., may be as American as apple pie.

David N. Myers is a professor and chair of the UCLA History Department. Nomi M. Stolzenberg is the Nathan and Lilly Shapell Professor at the USC Law School. They are writing a book on Kiryas Joel.




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נשלח ב-29/11/2011 14:14 לינק ישיר 

[quote]א רחמנות אויף די ארונימלעך וואס לויפן ארום ווי פארסמטע מייז מיט פשטל'ך פארוואס די רשעות'דיגע ווילידזש אויף קעי דזשעי גייט געווינען אין פעדעראל. יא די אלע תירוצים קענען זיי ענטפערן פאר די ריכטערס וואס וועלן האפענטליך איינמאל פאר אלעמאל מאכן א ענדע צי די ענדלאזע רשעות און טעראר פון זיי הארצלאזע און געלט פרעסער רעזשים. מיר דארפן פארשטייט זיך מתפלל זיין אז די העראישע עסקנים זאלן האבן הצלחה ובשם השם נעשה ונצליח.[/quote] איך וואלט נאכגעברענגט אלע אנדערע אזעלכע "זיכערע געווינס" תגובות. אבער איך האב נישט דעם גאנצן טאג פאר מיר..



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נשלח ב-29/11/2011 00:33 לינק ישיר 

http://www.recordonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20111128/NEWS/111129826



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נשלח ב-28/11/2011 23:24 לינק ישיר 

לאנצוט, דיין פשיהא ניק האט נישט קיין רשות כתיבה דא?



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נשלח ב-28/11/2011 23:08 לינק ישיר 

איז אמת די שמועות אז די פעדעראל קאורט האט דיסמיסד די קלאגע קעגן די ווילידזש?



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נשלח ב-26/6/2011 16:53 לינק ישיר 

מען שמוסט די ווילידזש האט אויפגענומען ניין לויערס איינס פאר יעדעם פון די אנגעקלאגטע קוקט אויס ווי זיי האבן באמת נישט מורא



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נשלח ב-24/6/2011 20:53 לינק ישיר 
די חברה הצלה


 


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נשלח ב-22/6/2011 22:18 לינק ישיר 

boyskver כתב:

סקווערע ראש הקהל מענדל בערגער שרייט סקווער איז נישט קרית יואל!

http://youtu.be/gWBaOqp9028 
 



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נו, ר' אהרן טענה'ט דאך דאס, אז יעדער זוכט יא (אדער נישט...) נאך צו מאכן ק"י.



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נשלח ב-22/6/2011 21:09 לינק ישיר 

אינטערעסאנטער אנאליז אויף קרית יואל דיסקרימענאציע
Http://blog.au.org/2011/06/21/the-curious-case-of-kiryas-joel-is-new-york-harboring-a-mini-theocracy

The Curious Case Of Kiryas Joel: Is New York Harboring A Mini-Theocracy?

June 21st, 2011

Visitors to the village of Kiryas Joel, N.Y., might be forgiven for believing they have stepped into a mini-theocracy.

There are no theocracies in America, right? After all, we have constitutionally mandated separation of religion and government.

Perhaps not. A village in New York called Kiryas Joel appears to be going right up to the line – and perhaps lurching over it. An interesting case just filed in federal court will test the ability of a religious group to actually run an entire town.

Kiryas Joel is an enclave of ultra-orthodox Jews who belong to the Satmar Hasidic sect. Members of this group believe in separating themselves from others – they'd rather not be around non-sect members. Thirty-four years ago, they won the right to create their own village from the surrounding community of Monroe.

The village's founders might have envisioned an idyllic community where people of a shared faith lived in harmony. It hasn't worked out that way. As often happens when people live in insular communities, factions emerge. Dissidents in Kiryas Joel don't like the way the town of about 20,000 is being run. The dissidents, who by some accounts now make up 40 percent of the community, say religious discrimination is rampant. They say if you don't belong to the right synagogue, you're a second-class citizen.

A local newspaper, the Times Herald-Record in Middletown, N.Y., reported, ''The case alleges discrimination against dissidents…in various facets of public life, from tax exemptions for synagogues to election improprieties to selective enforcement of village noise ordinances. Among the most serious allegations is that Kiryas Joel's Public Safety Department, a quasi-police agency, has acted as enforcers for the main congregation and tolerated acts of violence and intimidation against dissidents by unruly crowds of young supporters of Satmar Grand Rebbe Aron Teitelbaum, the leader of Kiryas Joel's majority faction.''

It's tempting to dismiss this as an internecine squabble among members of a small religious group. It's not that simple. The Satmar group may not be large, but its members are politically savvy. In 1989, they successfully lobbied the New York legislature for their own ''public'' school system.

The Satmars didn't want their children to be educated alongside non-Satmars. For most Satmar families, this wasn't a problem since their children attend private religious academies. But the community lacked the resources to educate its special-needs children. The New York legislature's answer was to give the village its own public school, with boundaries drawn in such a way that all non-Satmars were excluded.

The U.S. Supreme Court struck down the scheme in 1994, but New York lawmakers quickly began brain-storming other ways to keep the school open. More litigation ensued. Two other laws were struck down by the courts before the legislature finally crafted a measure that passed constitutional muster.

How did a little community gain such influence? The New York Times explained earlier this year that while Kiryas Joel is a poor community, it has discovered the secret of getting a lot of attention from politicians: ''Because the community typically votes as a bloc, it wields disproportionate political influence, which enables it to meet those challenges creatively.''

Meanwhile, visitors to Kiryas Joel might be forgiven for believing they have stepped into a mini-theocracy. A sign at the village entrance admonishes visitors to dress modestly. Cleavage-revealing tops for women are verboten, and both sexes are told to cover arms and legs. Couples are advised to ''maintain gender separation in public places.''

The sign was erected by the town's largest synagogue. Its wording is tough, but in fact the village can't legally enforce rules like this. Still, women who dare to visit the community while wearing skimpy summer outfits have reported scowls and glares. (Imagine the reaction from the Religious Right if this were a town of fundamentalist Muslims and they erected a sign reading, ''Women are welcome to visit if accompanied by a male relative. Please respect our values by wearing a burqa.'')

I realize the Satmars want to live on their own (although they've chosen an odd place to do that – just 50 miles north of New York City), but that does not give them the right to use government as a device to enforce religious conformity. Nor does it give them the right to create an insular theocracy. Our Constitution doesn't allow that.

The lawsuit has already achieved some of its goals by shining light on questionable practices in this enclave, and there may be more revelations as the case moves forward. This situation doesn't pass the constitutional smell test. It definitely bears watching.




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נשלח ב-21/6/2011 18:01 לינק ישיר 

JNET?



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סקווערער ראש הקהל ווארפט ארויס סקווערע קינדער, און זאגט אז דארטן איז נישטא קיין וואלדמאן און האט פאר קיינעם קיין מורא!

סקווערע ראש הקהל מענדל בערגער שרייט סקווער איז נישט קרית יואל!

http://youtu.be/gWBaOqp9028 
 



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Kiryas Joel, NY - Village Police Liaison is a Former State Police Commander





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נשלח ב-19/6/2011 15:36 לינק ישיר 
דער צייטונג דער רעקארד דיבאטירט אויב דער פעדעראלער שופט וועט אפשפארן דעם ווילידש אדער נישט, ברענגט אראפ דעם סוף פסק פון די אפיעלס שופטים , וואס האבן געווארנט אז עס איז שטארק יא מעגליך!

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The separation of church and state is at the heart of a suit whose outcome could have the effect of dissolving the Satmar Hasidic Village of Kiryas Joel. Plaintiff and dissident leader Joseph Waldman speaks to the news media Monday while attorney Michael Sussman looks on.

By Chris Mckenna
Times Herald-Record
Published: 2:00 AM - 06/19/11

Kiryas Joel dissidents rolled the ultimate grenade into their enemies' tent last week with a federal lawsuit questioning the very existence of the village that the Satmar Hasidic community created 34 years ago.

Their argument — laid out by civil-rights attorney Michael Sussman and sharply disputed by village leaders and their supporters — is that the village discriminates against them because of religious differences, and that public and religious authority are so entwined in Kiryas Joel that it violates the constitutional separation of church and state.

But even if the plaintiffs prove they've been thwarted and unfairly treated as they allege, a big question is whether a judge would ever order the drastic remedy they proposed: dismantling the Village of Kiryas Joel.

Stolzenberg contends the case could hinge on which of two constitutional readings the judge uses.

The prevailing approach would likely find that the institutions of church and state are separate in Kiryas Joel, and therefore, permissible, she said. But a competing doctrine — she calls it the "get real" approach — might take a less lenient view.

"It's actually hard to predict how the federal judges are going to react to this," she said.

The dissidents' lawsuit tries to show unequal treatment in law enforcement, tax exemptions, elections and other areas through a series of examples. Village leaders say the claims have no merit, and insist they provide services to all residents without discrimination.

Joseph Waldman, a plaintiff in the case and a longtime thorn in the side of the village's leadership, brought a similar case in 1997 to try to get the village dissolved. A federal judge and then an appeals-court panel rejected his demand — but strictly because most of his allegations had just been tried in two previous lawsuits.

The appeals-court judges wrote that Waldman's claims didn't "establish the sort of pervasive and otherwise irremediable entanglement between church and state that would justify a drastic remedy like the dissolution of the village."

אבער די אפילס קארט שופטים האבן קלאר צוגעגבן, אז אויב מען וועט נאכמאל טון די פארברעכנס איז נישט אויסגעשלאסן אז מען זאל יא קענען פארשליסן דעם ווילידש מיט א נייעם לויסוט! וד"ל

But they added:
"All this is not to say that a series of future actions evincing an enduring and all-encompassing domination of the Village government by the Congregation could not at some point suffice to create a new cause of action for the dissolution of the village
."


city of rajneeshpuram

One of the few precedents for the constitutional challenge Kiryas Joel dissidents have brought against their village is a 1983 case involving Rajneeshpuram, a religious enclave incorporated as a city in Oregon the previous year.

The community started in 1981, when followers of a spiritual leader named Bhagwan Shree Rajneesh bought a huge ranch in Wasco County. Within only three years, their commune grew into a city of 7,000 with its own police and fire departments, businesses and bus system.

By that time, the state had sued Rajneeshpuram in federal court, arguing that it had no obligation to recognize the municipal status of a city controlled by a religious organization.

A federal judge ruled in favor of Oregon in 1985. But the decision had little impact on Rajneeshpuram, because state and federal court battles had so depleted the group's resources that the city was soon bankrupt and empty.

The answer depends on whom you ask.

Ralph Stein, a Pace Law School professor who teaches constitutional law, sees no chance of that happening, based on what he read in the court complaint.

"As far as I'm concerned, it's a political polemic," Stein said. "It doesn't provide a legal basis for which the relief can be provided."

If the allegations are true, Stein said, what the dissidents are complaining about amounts to political corruption no different than Tammany Hall-style tactics, even if cloaked in religious garb. And corruption, he said, is no reason to dismantle a municipality.

If it were, Stein said, "I can't imagine how many times places like Boston, New York and Chicago would have been dissolved."

But Nomi Stolzenberg, a University of Southern California law professor who's co-writing a book on Kiryas Joel, argues that a political in-group abusing power for non-religious reasons is different under constitutional law than a "religious in-group that uses political power to suppress religious dissenters."

"Whether that in fact is what's going on in Kiryas Joel remains to be proved," she said. "But the idea that a religious group could capture political power and abuse its power by discriminating against groups that don't adhere to the beliefs of the dominant group — that is a very specific danger that the religion clauses were designed to combat."


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לאמיר האפן אז היסטארי וויל רעפיט איט סעלף, מיר געדענקן אלע ווען די אפגעריסענע וואלדמאן'ס מיט זייערע נאכשלעפער זענען געלאפן אין קארט פארלאנגען אז קהל זאל אראפנעמען די עיר קאנדישאן יוניטס פון "זייער" דאך, נו, זענען זיי געוואויר געווארן אז נישט נאר דער דאך איז נישט "זייער" נאר זענען געפלויגן פוןו גאנצן בנין ווי הינטעלעך, לאמיר האפן אז אצינד וועט זיך דאס אויך אויסלאזן מיטן זעלבן שטייגער און אז מיר וועלן קענען אפ אטעמען פון זיי ווען זיי וועלן פליען פון שטעטל קיין מאנסי לעבן ראטענבערג, אבער נישט פארן מאכטפולן פראטעסט מיט די ספרי תורות, לאמיר כאטש שעפן אביסל נחת צו הערן דעם שארמאשער קרייען, דעם טשאדער שרייען און וויינען און כעזקל גאלד שומפן און שעלטן, אוי, מי יתן והי'.

לאמיר האפן אז היסטארי וויל רעפיט איט סעלף, מיר געדענקן אלע ווען די אפגעריסענע ארונים מיט זייערע נאכשלעפער זענען געלאפן אין קארט פארלאנגען אז מען זאל דערקלערען בערעלע פורים אלץ ראש הקהל, נו, זענען זיי געוואויר געווארן אז נישט נאר ער איז נישט ראש הקהל נאר זענען געפלויגן פוןו ראדני ווי הינטעלעך, לאמיר האפן אז אצינד וועט זיך דאס אויך אויסלאזן מיטן זעלבן שטייגער און אז מיר וועלן קענען אפ אטעמען פון זיי ווען זיי וועלן פליען פון שטעטל קיין מאנסי לעבן ראטענבערג,  לאמיר כאטש שעפן אביסל נחת צו הערן דעם טענטער רבי קרייען,אין שרייען און וויינען שומפן און שעלטן, אוי, מי יתן והי



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