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נשלח ב-8/2/2012 15:19 לינק ישיר 

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נשלח ב-8/2/2012 16:11 לינק ישיר 
יעצט ווארט מען אן אפאלזשי פון רבין און עמי, פאר זייער קרבן, און פאר סקווער און פאר גאנץ כלל ישראל, וואס מען מחלל ה' געווען בפני כל העולם כילו



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תוקן על ידי ammesdig ב- 08/02/2012 16:13:48




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נשלח ב-8/2/2012 18:06 לינק ישיר 

וואו קומט דא אריין עמי מיט פראנק?
ממילא דו שרייבסט וועגן ראטענבערג פארשטיי איך. אבער דאס רעדן מיט דעם רעדאקטאר פון עמי איז עפעס א פראבלעם?

האט דען נישט UTA פאריגן חודש פארהאנדעלט מיט דעם זעלבן כופר, מיט דעם זעלבן כפירה מאגאזין פאר בילדער?

אויסערדעם, לאמיר זאגן אז עמי איז יא א כופר בעיקר (עפעס א מין כפירה אויסער די 13 עקרים פארשטייט זיך), וויל איך פארשטיין פארוואס טאר ער נישט טאן דאס וואס דער הייליגער סאטמאר רב האט געטאן, און אויך גערעדט מיט א כפירה'דיגן רעדאקטאר בשעתו, איבער זאכן וואס איז נוגע צו אידישקייט.

איך האף אז וועסט פראבירן נישט צו ענטפערן ווי א היפאקריט און זאגן מיין הייליגע רבי מעג, און יענער איז א שייגעץ און טאר נישט.



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נשלח ב-8/2/2012 18:07 לינק ישיר 

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תוקן על ידי לאנצוט ב- 08/02/2012 18:07:58




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נשלח ב-8/2/2012 19:25 לינק ישיר 

וואו קומט אריין UTA ווען מ'רעדט פון סקווירא? חוץ דאס אז דו ליידסט אויף א אבסעסיע פון זאליס/UTA. ‎​
 
דער אמת'דיג האט געשריבן אז מ'ווארט א עפאלעידזשי פון סקווירא רבי אין עמי, פונקט אזוי ווי ער האט נאכן פייער זיך אונטערוויו'ט דארט. יעצט פארשטייסטו שוין?



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נשלח ב-8/2/2012 22:02 לינק ישיר 

סענאטאר.

דו ביסט גערעכט אז דו ענטפערסט אזוי צו מיר, ווייל אויב דו ליינסט נישט מיין תגובה, און דו אטאקירסט סתם אזוי, ביסטו זיכער גערעכט.

יעצט לענינינו:

איך האב זיך באצויגן צו "דעם עמי" מיט סקווירא רבי, וואס אמת'דיג האט אריינגעשאסן אינגאנצן שלא בדבר. וואו קומט דא אריין עמי. איבער די ראטענבערג פרשה פארשטיי איך פונקטליך, און איך קען אפילו מסכים זיין  לדבריו מיט רעזערוואציעס, אבער ווי קומט דא אריין עמי.

דערפאר האב געשריבן וואס איך האב געשריבן. און דו האסט געענטפערט זעהט אויס אביסל צו שנעל.

ביטע געדענק דעם מאמר חז"ל אין אבות, אז א חכם איז נישט נבהל להשיב.



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נשלח ב-8/2/2012 22:18 לינק ישיר 
חילול ה' אין די וועלטס פרעסע

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Hasidic Jewish teenager admits setting neighbor on fire after disobeying a prayer order

  • Shaul Spitzer set Aron Rottenberg alight outside the family home

  • Victim suffered third-degree burns to more than 50 per cent of his body and was in hospital for over a month

  • Pleaded guilty and faces up to 10 years imprisonment

By JILL REILLY

Last updated at 12:06 PM on 8th February 2012

Shaul Spitzer, 18, of New Square, New York, had been accused of severely burning neighbor Aron Rottenberg, 43, with a firebomb outside Rottenberg's home in New Square

Shaul Spitzer, 18, of New Square, New York, had been accused of severely

Burning neighbor Aron Rottenberg, 43, with a firebomb outside Rottenberg's home in New Square

Spitzer, who worked for Grand Rebbe David Twersky, admitted that he used a heavy duty propane lighter to set Rottenberg on fire in May 2011.
It happened after Mr Rottenberg confronted Spitzer when he thew a bag of burning shirts soaked in petrol on the porch of his home.
Mr Rottenberg suffered third-degree burns to more than 50 per cent of his body and prosecutor Stephen Moore said he spent more than a month in the hospital recovering.
Painful recovery: Aron Rottenberg suffered third-degree burns to more than 50 per cent of his body and prosecutor Stephen Moore said he spent more than a month in the hospital recovering
Painful recovery: Aron Rottenberg suffered third-degree burns to more than 50 per cent of his body and prosecutor Stephen Moore said he spent more than a month in the hospital recovering
Spitzer also had burns on his hands and arms.
'We just both burst into flames,' Mr Rottenberg said.
The family was sleeping inside, court documents said.
Mr Rottenberg claimed in a lawsuit that Spitzer was acting at the direction of the village's Chief Rabbi, David Twersky.
He alleged that rabbi Twersky was angered because Mr Rottenberg had stopped praying at his synagogue.
The rabbi denied involvement, criticized the attack and was not charged.
Spitzer's lawyers also said the rabbi was uninvolved their client acted alone.
Court documents said Mr Rottenberg's family had received several threats and had their property vandalized for not praying in the community's main synagogue.
Spitzer, who will be sentenced in April, entered his plea on the day jury selection was set to begin in the case said defense attorney Deborah Lowenberg.
Under the plea deal, charges of attempted murder and arson were dismissed.
Mr Rottenberg was in court and told the judge he consented to the plea deal.
Ms Lowenberg said sect leaders didn't pressure Spitzer to accept the plea bargain to avoid a trial.
'Mr. Spitzer took counsel only from the defense team,' she said.
'We understood the evidence was very strong against our client and explained to him that there was a significant risk of facing 25 years.
'This way, he has the peace of mind of knowing the sentence won't be more than 10 years,' she added.
'We hope to show the judge that a less severe sentence would be appropriate.'
Outside court, Spitzer's attorney Kenneth Gribetz said his client had been trying to cause mischief, not to kill anyone.
'This is a young boy who has no criminal intent,' he said.
'He's not a criminal ... He should be given a chance to get back on the right track.'
Rottenburg has a pending civil lawsuit against Spitzer and Rabbi Twersky stemming from the incident.
Gribetz said in court a settlement in the $2 million range was under discussion.
New Square is about 30 miles north of Manhattan.
Nearly all of its residents are members of the Skver Hasidic sect.
The sect and the village are named for the Ukrainian village of Skver, where its members were killed during the Holocaust.



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נשלח ב-8/2/2012 23:12 לינק ישיר 
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נשלח ב-8/2/2012 23:24 לינק ישיר 
היינטיגע מאנסי צייטונג באריכט אז דער בחור האט מודה פארן שופט אין געריכט אז ער האט אינטערצינדען אויך דאס צווייטע פייער אין ראטטנבערג'ס פנים אריין ר"ל

New Square arson suspect pleads guilty to assault
says he set resident on fire

Shaul Spitzer, 18, of New Square plead guilty to first degree assault after a  deal was reached at the Rockland County Court House.
 

Shaul Spitzer, 18, of New Square plead guilty to first degree assault after a deal was reached at the Rockland County Court House. / Ricky Flores/The Journal News

NEW CITY — An 18-year-old follower of the New Square grand rebbe pleaded guilty Tuesday to setting a dissident community member on fire during an arson attack that rocked the Hasidic community.

Shaul Spitzer, who lived with Grand Rabbi David Twersky and did butler-type work for him, will face a maximum state prison sentence of 10 years for first-degree assault when sentenced April 17 by state Supreme Court Justice William A. Kelly.


Kelly told Spitzer five years would be the minimum prison term he would consider on the charge, which carries a maximum of 25 years.


The plea was part of an overall agreement that included the settlement of a civil lawsuit brought by the victim, Aron Rottenberg. He will receive a monetary award – believed to be in the $2 million range — from supporters of Spitzer and Twersky.


Tuesday's court session in New City originally was scheduled for jury selection to try Spitzer on charges of first-degree assault, second-degree attempted murder and second-degree attempted arson, all felonies. Negotiations among the judge, prosecutors and defense lawyers led Spitzer to withdraw his plea of not guilty.


Spitzer stood flanked by his three lawyers while pleading guilty, ending weeks of negotiations that included support for the sentence from Rottenberg. Spitzer admitted that on May 22 he tossed an incendiary device — made of gasoline-soaked T-shirts with twine as a fuse — onto the back porch of Rottenberg's house because Rottenberg broke the grand rebbe's rabbi's rules and refused to pray in the community's lone synagogue.


The young man admitted that when Rottenberg confronted him at 4:15 a.m and they wrestled, Spitzer admitted he set off a second gasoline-soaked device, setting Rottenberg and himself on fire.


Rottenberg suffered third-degree burns across 50 percent of his body, and he needed months of skin grafts and hospitalization. Spitzer was hospitalized for burns to his hands and arms.


''He jumped me and grabbed me and I lit the torch,'' Spitzer said after when prosecutor Stephen Moore asked him if he saw Rottenberg on the lawn that morning

For months before prior to the attack, Rottenberg and others had been targets of protests outside their homes and vandalism. Rottenberg angered the grand rebbe and community leaders by leading a contingent of residents who refused to pray at the grand rebbe's Truman Avenue synagogue.


Instead, they prayed at the Friedwald Center for Rehabilitation and Nursing on New Hempstead Road, partially in protest to the overcrowded synagogue and the rabbi's edicts. A week before the attack, Rottenberg said his family had received threatening telephone calls.


Rottenberg's son-in-law Moshe Elbaum said Tuesday that Rottenberg's main concern is his family. The civil settlement came into play, Elbaum said, but so did assurances from the community's leaders that they will respect his religious rights to pray wherever he wants, allow him to sell his Truman Avenue house and permit him to send his children to any school without interference.


The rabbinical court will issue an edict to leave the Rottenberg family be and the declaration will be posted at the synagogue, Elbaum said. ''We have to move on with our lives,'' Elbaum said. ''He's going to prison and he's going to pay for what he did.''


District Attorney Thomas Zugibe said Rottenberg's personal interests convinced him to support a plea to first-degree assault and a 10-year sentence for Spitzer and a plea to first-degree assault. The charge carries the same prison time as attempted murder.


''I would say that based on the facts of the case and the strong feelings the victim expressed to Judge Kelly that some leniency should be shown toward the defendant, this proposed disposition serves the ends of justice,'' Zugibe said.


Prosecutor Stephen Moore told Kelly that the District Attorney's Office supported the plea agreement with a 10-year sentence for Spitzer.


Spitzer's lawyers are hoping for a shorter sentence. He was represented by former Rockland District Attorney Kenneth Gribetz, former Rockland prosecutor Deborah Wolikow Loewenberg and Paul Shechtman of New York City

A conviction at trial – including testimony from Rottenberg and the fact Spitzer was caught burned – would have likely bought Spitzer far more than 10 years from Kelly.

Loewenberg acknowledged the prosecution had a strong evidentiary case against Spitzer and ''there was a significant risk of facing 25 years'' if he was convicted at trial.

''This way, he has the peace of mind of knowing the sentence won't be more than 10 years,'' she said.

''We're hoping he'll get five years,'' Gribetz said. ''We want to show the judge this is a young boy who is not a criminal and will never, ever be part of the criminal justice system again. This is a human tragedy for the Rottenberg family and the Spitzer family.''

Rottenberg claimed in his lawsuit that Spitzer acted at the direction of Twersky. The rabbi denied involvement through his community relations people and lawyers and later condemned the violence.

''We have no admissible evidence that points the finger at anyone but one single individual,'' Zugibe said.

About a dozen residents from New Square and family members attended the court hearing. They declined to comment. After the court session, residents on the streets of New Square declined to comment.

A statement released Tuesday evening by the Rottenbergs on Tuesday evening said the family was ''looking forward to starting a new chapter in our lives and to beginning the process of putting the pain behind us




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נשלח ב-8/2/2012 23:32 לינק ישיר 

ס'א שאד די גרויסע באלד אויתיות, ווי עס קוקט אויס וועט יאסל וואלדמאן נאך דארפן פראקלאמרין אסאך פעדערעל קארט געווינסן,זיך ווינטשן אסאך מזל טוב'ס, מארשירן מיט ספרי תורות, ביז דער אייבישטער וועט זיך מרחם זיין אויף די געשלוגענע אידן, און מ'וועט זעהן די גרויסע ישועה...אבער לעססען?? א רעטעך!! עלי ועל צאורי,



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