כנ"ל
17:57 10/2/2005 - נשלח ב
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אויפן די רוף פין הרב פישער ווער איז דער צילברעט פין
די אזוי גערופעאנע מושחתים אין מרשיעי ברית וואס ווילען אינטער איצטלא פין מכלומרש
היגענישע אין געזונהייטס סיבות אויסרייסען אין אויפהעצען א גזירות המילה זענען זיך צוזאם געקומען חשובע רבנים יושבים על מדין מיט די אקטיווע מיטיילונג פין התאחדות הרבנים אין אנדערע חרדישע ארגעניזאציעס וואס קוקען מיט גרויס אחריות אין פארכט אז עס עס זאל ח"ו נישט ווערן א גזירות המלכות אויך אריבער די גרעניצען פין ראקלענד קאונטי אין ניו יארק סיטי איז שוין אין פולע אינוועסטיגעשאן וואס מען קען נישט פאראויס זאגען ווי עס וועט אנקומען פאר די מרשיעי ברית
צו מאכן צרות פא ראלע חרדישע אידן אומעטום (וואס די או יו צווייפעלהאפטגע סטעיטמענט
"It is very, very rare for the mohel to suck out the blood himself," said Rabbi Tzvi Hersh Weinreb, executive vice president of the Orthodox Union, which represents Orthodox congregations in North America.
"The mohalim I speak to in our community say they use latex gloves and a glass tube for suction, and they take every precaution so they do not come into contact with the baby's blood and the baby does not come into contact with their blood," Weinreb said. "This is for the protection of the baby and, frankly, for the protection of the mohel, because one never knows what the baby might be carrying from the parent."
האבן שוין געברענגט
אין דער פארלאנג אז התאחדות הרבנים זאל ארויסגעבו א סטעיטמענט אין הלכה וואס איז שוין געווען באהאנלעט מיט יארן צוריק ביי אסיפות אין התאחדות הרבנים אין ארויס קומען מיט אפענע מחאה קעגו די מרשיעי ברית איז ביזדעווייל געווארען באשלאסען דערוועגן אז כדי עס זאל נישט ווערן מער אויפגעפלאקרט דעם רייץ ביי די מרשיעי ברית צו מאכן דערפין אן אינטערנאציאנאלער פראבלעם וואס אזא פרסום אין די פרעסע קען נאך מער שאדו האבן האט מען שוקל געווען בכובד ראש אין ביזדערווייל איז די החלטה געווען מיט צושטעלען לעגאלע הילף פאר הרב פישער אין יעדעם איינעם וואס ווערט פארפלאנטערט אינעם פראבלעםאין מען וועט ווארטען אויף די רעזאלטאטען פין די העלט דעפארטמענסאין נאכדעם זעהן צו מען דארף אינטערנעמען א לעגאלען קאמף אנטקעגן די מרשיעי ברית
צוה להציל שארינו משחת למען בריתך
ekstein
0:47 11/2/2005 - נשלח ב
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דינסטאג נאכט, איז געווען א אין סאטמאר ביהמ"ד אין מאנסי א סעודת הילולא פארן קדושת יו"ט, און הרב ר' חיים יושע האלבערשטאם האט ארימגערעדט באריכות פון די פרשה "מציצה בפה".
אינמיטן די דרשה האט ער גענומען "שטורעמען"! דאס בלוט איז אים ארויף אין קאפ! ער האט געשריגן כה"ל:
לאזט זיך נישט גלייבן, אז היינט אין אמעריקא זאל דאס קענען פאסירן!
זיי וועלן דאס נישט קענען אויספירן! די גמרא (שבת) דרשנ'ט דעם פסוק: כי עליך הרגנו כל היום, אויף מצות מילה. איז אוודאי וועלן זיי דאס נישט קענען דערגרייכן.
אוודאי וועלן זיי דאס נישט קענען דערגרייכן פלוצלונג, אין איין טאג, אבער זייער ציל איז אויף שפעטער, אויפן לענגערן טערמין אז ס'זאל אינגאנצן בטל ווערן.
וואס וויל איך דא ארויסברענגן? איך וויל דאס מודיע זיין פאר יעדעם, די חברה וואס האבן זיך פארלייגט דא אויף די "מציצה" די מיינען נישט הרב פישער, ער איז נאר א קרבן ציבור, זיי צילן דא אינטערצוברענגן די גאנצע ענין פון מציצה בפה, זיי זאגן דאס קלאר, אז זיי גייען דאס אויסרייסן.
איך וויל דא מודיע זיין ברבים, עס פארקויפט זיך אסאך מעשיות אויף הרב פישער, "ס'איז שקר וכזב"!
מיר זענען געזעצן נעכטן ביי א מיטונג מיט אלע רבנים פון די שטאט, דער רב פישער איז מנוקה מכל עוון!
משהבערבעק
21:11 11/2/2005 - נשלח ב
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Circumcision tragedy shines spotlight on rituals of ultra-Orthodox community
by Johanna Ginsberg
NJJN Staff Writer
Accusations that an infant died after contracting herpes from the man who performed his ritual circumcision have highlighted sharp differences in practices between some haredi, or ultra-Orthodox, Jewish communities and other Jewish factions.
According to a complaint filed in Manhattan Supreme Court by the state's health department and publicized on Feb. 2 in the New York Daily News, Rabbi Yitzhok Fischer, a hasidic mohel in Monsey, used his mouth to draw blood from the penis during the ritual circumcision of twins last October. One of the babies died from herpes. The other tested positive for the virus caused by herpes.
While a spokesman for a haredi group said the practice of using the mouth to draw blood is ''normative'' among the ultra-Orthodox, Conservative mohalim call the practice one of ''extremists'' and ''fanatics,'' and Modern Orthodox authorities also say they reject the procedure, and that it is ''very, very rare, even in other communities.''
Avi Shafran, director of public affairs for Agudath Israel of America, an advocacy group for haredi Judaism, called the practice, known as metzitza bapeh, ''normative'' among all haredi Jews, who include hasidic and non-hasidic movements. ''In the yeshivish haredi world, it is de rigueur to do metzitza bapeh,'' Shafran told the New Jersey Jewish News. ''I have seen it at all of the brisim [circumcisions] I have been to, including my own sons and one of my grandsons. There's never anything to talk about. It's just done.''
But Rabbi Elazar Teitz, a leader of the Jewish Educational Center in Elizabeth and its affiliated congregations, who said he feels equally at home among modern Orthodox and haredi camps, said that ''in a good part of the haredi community, metzitza bapeh is not used.''
Conservative and Modern Orthodox mohalim say the practice was dropped from Judaism long ago.
''The mohalim I know perform circumcision in strict compliance with medical standards that assure that the procedure is safe and sterile,'' said Rabbi Mark Cooper of the Conservative Oheb Shalom Congregation in South Orange, who is a mohel.
''It is not a custom used in modern Orthodox communities,'' said a spokesperson from the Orthodox Union. ''Mohalim in modern communities use latex gloves and a glass tube for suction, and they take every precaution so they do not come into contact with the baby's blood and the baby does not come into contact with their blood.''
And Teitz said, ''I have seen the practice being done, but if I were asked, I would tell a mohel not to do it. The tube is used virtually exclusively [in our community]. This is something I learned from my father, and he was certainly accepted [as an authority] in the haredi world.''
At the heart of the controversy is the third of three steps in a circumcision required under Halacha, or rabbinic law. After the removal of the foreskin and removal of the inner membrane underlying the foreskin, the mohel must draw out a drop of blood. The practice is known as metzitza, from the Hebrew ''to suck.'' Many Conservative mohalim perform metzitza with gauze, while Orthodox mohalim use a sterilized glass tube filled with gauze to prevent direct contact. Health officials in New York said the mohel performing the fatal circumcision performed the practice bapeh, or by mouth.
''The kind of mohel that did this is someone who lives in a different world, who ignores the evidence of medical reality,'' said Cooper. ''For example, he may not wear gloves, preferring to focus on the religious and theological aspects of the ceremony and overlook matters of hygiene.''
Of the four Conservative mohalim in the local area, only one uses a tube. The rest use gauze. ''The Halacha is to have a drop of blood,'' said Cantor Menachem Toren of the Pine Brook Jewish Center Chevra Agudas Achim Anshy in Montville. ''You only need to touch the penis and it starts to bleed. I use a piece of gauze. It's just the extremists of the extremists that do metzitza [orally], and only the ultra-Orthodox that use the tube.''
Cantor Richard Nadel of the Conservative Temple Beth Ahm in Springfield also uses gauze. He said the traditional reason for metzitza was to ensure the baby's health, a justification rendered moot by modern medical knowledge. ''In antiquity, the mohel would suck the blood from the penis to draw out infection and then spit the blood into a plate of dirt.''
Before the modern era, however, mohalim were unaware that the mouth is full of bacteria.
''This is the best way to communicate disease,'' said Nadel. ''They recognized from time to time a baby would get an infection. They did not know what caused it. They felt if they drew the blood, they would prevent infection.''
Several of those interviewed for this story also indicated that, in today's world of HIV and other diseases, there is a danger posed not only to the baby, but to the mohel as well. The OU spokesperson said that one prominent rabbi of an OU-affiliated community who is also an ''experienced'' mohel would only use the procedure on his own children. ''They are the only ones he can vouch for'' in terms of their health.
Calls to Rabbi Yeheskel Lebovic, a mohel from the local Lubavitch Hasidic community, were not returned.
A study that appeared in the August 2004 issue of Pediatrics concluded that the practice of metzitza bapeh places newborns at risk of contracting the herpes virus from the mohalim who perform it and should be discontinued. Rabbi Moshe Tendler of Yeshiva University was among those conducting the study.
But Shafran of Agudath Israel insists that there is not enough evidence to reject the practice. ''Show me the money — show me the sampling of cases,'' he said. ''If the transfer of virus was likely, we'd be seeing a large number of babies from the haredi communities showing up in hospitals. But they're not….If there is no evidence, then the guesswork about the danger is just that. This is a terrible tragedy. But to leap from an isolated instance to say there's a problem with a practice going on from time immemorial, when worldwide there are only a handful of cases where this is even a suspect, it's not the monster people say it is.''
Cooper nonetheless suggests that parents gather information before hiring a mohel. ''I urge any parent who will be having a bris to be fully aware of the medical standards a mohel follows, including wearing gloves and sterilizing instruments. What this mohel did was extraordinarily irresponsible, and should not be condoned by Jewish law.''
But, he added, Jewish families should continue to have their babies circumcised by mohalim.
''Mohalim can and should perform this ritual, following high standards for proper medical care and safety. I follow such standards, as do all the mohalim I know.''
Johanna Ginsberg can be reached at [email protected].
Copyright 2004 New Jersey Jewish News. All rights reserved. For subion information call 973.887.8500.
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21:13 11/2/2005 - נשלח ב
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Rockland orders rabbi to undergo a herpes test
By STEVE LIEBERMAN
THE JOURNAL NEWS
(Original publication: February 10, 2005)
The Rockland health commissioner has ordered a Monsey rabbi to stop performing oral-suction circumcisions and to take a herpes test.
Rabbi Yitzchok Fischer's ritual method also has come under scrutiny from the New York state and Orange County health departments, officials said yesterday. The rabbi's techniques are not illegal, but pose a potential health hazard, officials said.
The New York City Health Department has said three infants circumcised by Fischer contracted herpes and that one died.
Fischer uses his mouth to suction blood from the wound after he removes the foreskin. The centuries-old ritual, called metzizah bi peh, is used predominantly by Hasidic Jews. Many rabbis say Jewish law does not mandate mouth suction; defenders contend the spread of disease is rare.
New York City health officials have prohibited Fischer from performing circumcisions and ordered him to take a blood test for herpes simplex virus type 1. Lawyers for the city and Fischer have declined to discuss whether the rabbi took the test and the results if he did.
Dr. Joan Facelle, the Rockland health commissioner, issued the same prohibition this week and ordered the rabbi to take a blood test Monday.
"We're trying to ascertain if he carries the virus, which would make him capable of transmitting it to the population," Facelle said.
Facelle said she hoped the rabbi would comply and take the blood test. If not, she said, the county would take him to court.
Hillel M. Kurzmann, who represents Fischer with his father, Mark J. Kurzmann, said yesterday that the county's order was similar to New York City's.
"We are eager to learn the true source of the infection," Hillel Kurzmann said. "He is cooperating with the city. He will cooperate as much as possible with the county."
Mark Kurzmann has said the rabbi performed the traditional circumcision at the parents' request. He uses sterilized instruments and antiseptic mouthwash, Kurzmann said.
Most mohelim who perform that part of the ritual use a medical tube to suction the blood.
Fischer's methods came under scrutiny when a Manhattan newborn died of herpes in November and his twin was diagnosed with the virus a little more than two weeks after the rabbi performed their circumcisions in October. A Staten Island newborn also circumcised by Fischer was diagnosed with herpes in November.
The state Health Department is working with New York City, Rockland and other counties, spokesman Robert Kenney said yesterday.
"We're interviewing the two families," Kenney said. "One of our priorities is to ensure the infants and the families get appropriate medical attention."
Herpes is not a reportable disease in New Jersey, a state Health Department spokeswoman there said yesterday. There is no inquiry there involving the rabbi.
County health departments in New York state don't license mohelim or oversee circumcision because it's a religious ritual.
Fischer, 66, is a respected mohel in the region and in Israel and was trained in circumcisions by the British Milah Society, a rabbinical group.
The Orange County health commissioner, Dr. Jean M. Hudson, said yesterday that her department would meet with the Jewish community, specifically the Satmar Hasidic community of Kiryas Joel in Monroe.
"We're preparing to alert the Hasidic community," she said, "that this circumcision practice is not hygienic and has potential risks."
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ekstein
20:0 14/2/2005 - נשלח ב
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שבת פרשת משפטים ביי שלש סעודות און נייטרא ביהמ"ד און מאנסי האט הרב ווייסמאנדל גאזגט ביי די שלש סעודה תורה א פייערדיגע דרשה וועגן די מרשיעי ברית בכלל און דר. טענדלער בפרט ווי ער וויל עוקר זיין די מצות התורה און מען דארף לוחם זיין קעגן דעם.
און זיי מיינען נישט נאר מציצה בפה נאר זיי ווילן ח"ו אז די רעגירונג זאל אנפירן אלע בריתן ווי אנטון א וויסע כאלאט און LATX GLOVS וכו' וכו' היל"ת
דער עיקר אז מען דארף מתפלל זיין להעביר את רוע הגזירה
און מען זאל ח"ו נישט משנה זיין און מען זאל ווייטער טוען די מצות מילה כהלכתה מיט מציצה בפה דוקא
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20:12 14/2/2005 - נשלח ב
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מוצ"ש תרומה איז געווען א מלוה מלכה פאר ליזענסקער חדר און מאנסי האבן זיי גערופן ר' מנשה פילאפ צו זאגן א דרשה וועגן מציצה בפה
ער האט גערדט בערך א שעה צייט און ער האט געשטורעמט אקעגן דעם דר. טענדלער ווי ער וויל עוקר זיין די מצות השם און ער אין א רשע א עוכר ישראל און ווי הארב עס איז געווען דער ענין פון מציצה ובפה דוקא, מיט מקורות פון גדולי ישראל וראשונים ואחרונים.
און ער האט נאכגעזאגט בשם מהרי"ל דיסקין אז כשיבוא אליהו במהרה ווייסט ער שווער אויב מען וועט זיי לאזן עסן פון קרבן פסח -פאר די וואס האבן געהאט מציצה בכלי- ווייל זיי זענען גערעכנט ווי ערלים רח"ל
ובשם השם נעשה ונצליח
בעל_גאוה
20:40 14/2/2005 - נשלח ב
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איינע פון די זאכען וואס דער אגודת ישראל האט איינגעפירט אין די לעצטע יאהרן איז 'עם אחד'
אן עקסטערע אפטייל וואס איז געשטעלט צו באקעמפען אטאקעס קעגען חרדי'שע אידען איבער דעם גאנצער וועלט
רוב זאכען ווערן געטוהן שטולערהייט אין זיי האבען שוין גורם געוועהן א סאך קידוש השם אין אויך בעיקר מונע געוועהן חילול השם.
רב אבי (אברהם) שאפראן איז דער הויפט מנהל פון דער פראיעקט ער איז אן אוצר פאר כלל ישראל ...
איך בין אויף זיין EMAIL ליסטע אין דא וועל איך לייגען א קאפי פון זיין ארטיקל וואס ווערט געשיקט צו הונדערטער אידיש'ע צייטונגען איבער גאנץ אמעריקע.
OF RITES AND RISKS
Rabbi Avi Shafran
Not long ago, a Jewish family in New York suffered a terrible tragedy, the death of one of their infant twin boys. The cause was determined to be an infection of herpes simplex type 1, the virus that causes cold sores - and for which, according to the National Institutes of Health, antibodies are present (indicating at least a one-time infection) in up to 90% of adults. The HSV-1 virus causes only discomfort in adults, but in a baby, with its undeveloped immune system, the infection can be more dangerous, even fatal on rare occasions. This case, sadly, was one of those rare occasions.
The tragedy, however, did not remain a private one. It became the focus of media reports around the world, because of the possibility, raised by New York City health authorities, that the infant may have contracted the virus from the ritual circumciser who performed his bris, or Jewish ritual circumcision. Since the circumciser, or mohel (plural: mohelim), applied oral suction to the wound, which is a part of the bris-procedure in many Jewish communities, the suspicion arose that the virus may have been present in the mohel, at least in a dormant stage, and may have thus passed on to the baby during the procedure.
The mohel in question, who is widely respected and experienced (he has reportedly performed over 12,000 circumcisions), is currently under order to refrain from the oral suctioning procedure and to undergo tests for the herpes virus. He is cooperating with health authorities.
Many Jewish ritual circumcisers, particularly in the haredi community, consider the time-honored - and, for most of Jewish history, universal - oral method to be an indispensable religious requirement. Others, though, address the Jewish religious law of applying suction to the wound (itself, interestingly, based on a health concern, the drawing of infectious agents away from the wound) by employing an intervening glass tube. Some use gauze compresses and dispense with the suction altogether.
And so calls have been issued to insist that all mohelim hew to those approaches.
Two doctors, for example, in a study in The Pediatrics Infectious Disease Journal urged that "public health officials and leaders of the Jewish community should act to modify the part of the circumcision ritual that involves direct oral contact with the blood... of neonates."
Rabbi Dr. Moshe Tendler, an Orthodox rabbi and biologist, is even more adamant. "I'm particularly disturbed," he told a reporter, "that once this information becomes available, the mohelim don't do what they're told," namely dispense with the oral suctioning procedure.
In a medical paper in Pediatrics, a group of medical doctors and researchers, including Rabbi Dr. Tendler, assert, without evidence or citation, that "the great majority of ritual circumcisions" are performed without oral suction. They further declare that Orthodox religious authorities who insist on the traditional method (a list that includes some of the most distinguished rabbinic leaders of recent decades) have done so only because they "have felt threatened by criticism of the old religious customs."
Scientists should certainly offer the results of their research. They are perfectly welcome, too, to take positions on medically related matters. But when they begin to wax derisive of rabbinic authorities, impugning their motivations and challenging their religious decisions, expertise threatens to morph into arrogance.
To be sure, were infections like the one that took the life of the New York infant to be proven likely, or even common, results of oral suctioning, medical authorities would have the right to do what was necessary to protect the public - and religious authorities would be no less concerned. Indeed, even in Talmudic times, when a risk was perceived by the deaths of a baby's brothers after their circumcisions (implying hemophilia), the newborn was not to be circumcised at all unless it became clear that he was healthy.
But the evidence of material risk as a result of traditional circumcision is far from persuasive. In fact, a number of pediatricians and pediatric urologists with scores of years of experience between them serving communities in which countless baby boys were circumcised in the traditional manner - have reported that they have never seen even one case of circumcision-related herpes infection in newborns.
So if there is a risk in the age-old method, it does not appear at present to be a great one. And while our first reaction might well be to righteously insist that "any risk is too great," we might pause to consider: Is there no risk at all to circumcision itself? Or to any of myriad activities that society happily sanctions without any pang of conscience - not only things like bungee-jumping and motorcycle riding (or SUV driving), but prosaic activities, too, like high school football, cosmetic surgery and crossing city streets?
And so the questions must be asked: Should religious practices be more subject than entertainment or vanity to governmental or societal coercion? Does that really square with our nation's commitment to religious freedom?
They shouldn't, of course, and it doesn't.
© AM ECHAD RESOURCES
[Rabbi Shafran is director of public affairs for Agudath Israel of America]
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0:11 17/2/2005 - נשלח ב
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דאס רשעות פין די מרשעי ברית וואס קענען נישט אויסהאלטען אז דער טעסט איז דארעך ווי עס דארף צו זיין
אין אלעס איז א בלויזער בלוט בילבול שרייבען די נייעס אזוי אביעקטיוו מיט א דערקענטע רשעות אזווייל זייטס זיכער אז ווען עס קומט ווען צוריק פאזעטיוו וואלט שוין פין פרייטאג ביז יעצט די פרעסע פיל פין דעםאין יעצט אז זיי האבן נשיט קיין מקום ווייטער צו שפינען די מעשה דרייט מען ארום מיטדי נייעס ווי אזוי די מרשעי ברית טוען דירעטירען
מען ברויך אריין טראכטען צו מען דארף נישט נאכדעם נעמען פובליק רעלעשאנס פירמע אין עס צושמירען קעגן טענדלער אז דאס איז בלויז רשעות אין אפילו עם קלאגען אין געריכט דערפאר למען ישמעו ויראו אז אז דער קאמף פאר קעגו רעליגע איז פארבאטען אין אמעריע
אבער איז דא א אנדערע מהלך עס אפצושטילען מיט א בדיל ויעבור אין נישט מער רודערען כדי עס זאל נישט ווערן מער אויפגעפלאמט די שנאה פין די מרשעי ברית
עס א צייט וואס דארף א ערנסטע שיקול הדעת פין די ערליכע רבנים וואס זענען במקום החלל ווי למשל מאנסי בפרט אין גאנץ ניו יארק בכלל
State gets rabbi's herpes test
By JAMES WALSH
THE JOURNAL NEWS
(Original publication: February 16, 2005)
The state Health Department has received the herpes test results of a Monsey rabbi suspected of passing on the virus to infants during a circumcision ritual.
State health officials subpoenaed the test results Friday, "but at this point in time, they're for internal use only," said Robert Kenney, a state Health Department spokesman.
Rockland County, Orange County and New York City health officials have prohibited Rabbi Yitzchok Fischer, 66, from performing a portion of the ritual that entails sucking blood from the wound.
Three infants circumcised by Fischer, including one who died, had contracted herpes, according to the New York City Health Department.
Fischer's attorney, Mark Jay Kurzman of Pearl River, was upset yesterday that word of the subpoena had reached the media.
"I have no comment on what ought to be a confidential, discreet governmental investigation," Kurzman said.
He also would not comment on a court session scheduled for today regarding the prohibition against Fischer's performing the full circumcision ritual.
Gabriel Taussig, chief of the administrative law division of the New York City Law Department, confirmed yesterday that the city had complied with the subpoena but declined to discuss the test results.
Taussig said today's court session in Manhattan was to be a conference among all the parties. The city is seeking a preliminary injunction that would prohibit Fischer from performing the full ritual until the case is resolved.
The ritual, which involves the sucking of blood, is predominantly used by Hasidic Jews.
The circumcisions by Fischer drew the attention of public health officials after a Manhattan newborn died of herpes in November, and his twin was diagnosed with the virus, about two weeks after their circumcisions. A third infant, from Staten Island, also was diagnosed soon after his bris.
County health departments do not regulate the religious ritual.
Reach James Walsh at [email protected] or 845-578-2445.Reach James Walsh at [email protected] or 845-578-2445.
ekstein
5:38 17/2/2005 - נשלח ב
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יא! שוין ארויסגעקומען א קול קורא, מיט 12 רבנים פון מאנסי!
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16:33 20/2/2005 - נשלח ב
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איך הער אז הרב שלעיזינגער פון מאנסי האט נעכטען נאכט בי זיין שיעור געהאקט פעך און שוועבל אויף טענדלער אין געשריגן עפרא לפומיה
yakovber04
17:49 20/2/2005 - נשלח ב
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משה בער, איך האב שוין געשריבן אז איך האב געזען א צעטל מיט נאנט צו זעכציג רבנים, נישט נאר פון מאנסי, אויך פון ניו יארק, ניו זשערסי און אנדערע
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בנוגע עפרא לפומיה, אודאי, אז ער האט עפר אין מויל, קען ער דאך נישט מאכן קיין מציצה בפומיה, ווייל אין עפר לייגט מען נאר די ערלה (לכבוד פורים קטן).
ער איז סאך ערגער ווי עפרא לפומיה, איך האב געהערט אז א רב אין מאנסי האט געזאגט אויף איהם שחיק טמיא, ישחקו עצמותיו.
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