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| נשלח ב-25/7/2005 12:53 |
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At 12:16 AM, Berel G. said…
They don't know yet when the levayeh will be. It depends when the ME will come to Harris.
There might first be a levayeh in shalva and then in BP.
The other car sverved into his lane to avoid a biker on the side of the road.
One bucher is being transferred to Westchester with a broken tip of the hip.
The mother could use some teffilos. Chaya Tobe bas Sureh Rifkeh
At 12:19 AM, Anonymous said…
just spoke to a family member, the mother is very critical, but doctors are very hopeful that she will makeit AY"H, the bar mitzvah boy is okay, another older bocher is being tranferd now for palvic surgery,
At 12:20 AM, Anonymous said…
the le-vayeh is not gonna be be4 2pm
At 12:20 AM, Anonymous said…
fighting over nonsense has nothing to do with the careful or carelessness of the summer population driving in sullivan county. safe driving is the most important preventitive way to avoid these tragedies. are all of these amounts of children legally allowed vehicles and are they properly seatbelted or carseated in.
At 12:22 AM, Anonymous said…
his nephew was nebech that yunger-man that was crushed by a bus in boro-park this past winter RCH"L..
At 12:33 AM, Anonymous said…
Your'e absolutly right that carfullness has nothing to do with machloykes, but a little sychel is needed to realize that such tragedies only come from machloykes. It could have been less serious were there no machloykes. Doesn't everyone see that Hashem is sending us a sign to stop fighting?? Look what's going on by Satmar! How many INNOCENT people nebach, who have absolutly no connection whatsoever to the rebbes are nebach involved in tragedies, for what????? STUPID MACHLOYKES!! Stop the machloykes and these tragedies will stop!!! Think about it!
At 12:36 AM, ESTHER said…
THANKS FOR MENTIONING DRIVING SAFELY. IT IS NOT ONLY A CHILUL HASHEM BUT A SAKANAH WHEN ONE STOPS TO PICK UP A HITCH HIKER AND DOES NOT PULL OVER SAFELY. FIRSTLY, IT PUTS ALL OF US IN DANGER AND SECONDLY THAT IS WHY WE ARE HATED UP HERE. BE CONSIDERED AND KNOW WE INVADE "THEIR SERENE QUIET CATSKILLS" . BEING CONSIDERED AND REMEMBERING THAT DOING THE RIGHT THING AND SAYING THANK YOU IS NOT ONLY MENCHLACHDIK BUT ALSO CREATES A KIDDUSH HASHEM. IN THAT Z'CHUS MAY THEY ALL HAVE A REFUAH AND THE STRENGTH TO GO ON...
At 12:43 AM, Moshy said…
It amazes me how u all know exactly why hashem is punishing us.. i mean come'on ppl we all have to look at ourselves and stop blaming others we should start davening with mire kavannah and giving more tsdukah and learning more torah and stop being nasty to each other - everyone should fix himself and hashem will have rachmunes on us.. amen
At 12:43 AM, Anonymous said…
who was the other car involved?
At 1:04 AM, Anonymous said…
time and place of the levayeh?
At 2:09 AM, Anonymous said…
the one who said machlokes should rather quit his subion to internet its a lot whorse then machlokes
At 4:20 AM, Anonymous said…
machlokes is a very bad thing We arenot the judges to judge why it happened.and we are definely dont have the right to be makatrig. and say whos fault it is.We have to do tushuva so our tiflos will go up to REBONAH SHEL OLAM and the sutan wont be able to be makatrig on us . we are in times of a skuna and the sutan is makatrig bashas sucuna
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| נשלח ב-25/7/2005 16:26 |
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At 6:42 AM, Anonymous said…
We have to do teshiuveh on SOOOOOOOOOOO Manyyyyyyyyyy Things.... Machlokos is one major issue... We are going into the YEMAY Metazurim... CHAZ"L tell us vey clear ... ""That Both Bais Hamikidosh are Churev because of Maclokos"" and Mushiach WANTS so much to coma and save us BUT where should he come ?? Monroe? Willamsburg? BP? Crown? Lakewood?? HE is affraid he will be kicked out by the OTHER group!!! In haven he is safe... LETS BUILD a sfag ground for Moshiach!!!
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| נשלח ב-25/7/2005 17:22 |
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פליס סטאפ קאפיען דא פון "וואס איז נייעס"!
יעדער ווייסט אליין ווי אזוי צו גיין קוקן דארט, מען דארף נישט קיינער זאל דא אריינקלעבן.
לאמיר אליין דא רעדן איבער וואס האט געשען!
ווי אזוי האט דאס פאסירט?
א סאך מענטשן שטייען דארט צו כאפן היטשעס, וואס איז זייער סכנה'דיג. איך זאג אלץ פאר מיין ווייב איך קען נישט סטאפען (אדער אויף 17B) און זי שרייט מיך אן. בין איך גערעכט?
אגב, באמערק, די שרעקלעכע טראגדיעס היי יאר איז געווען אין סאטמאר און באבוב, די צוויי חסידות'ן וואס פייטן, האבן גענוצט NYPD אין זייערע שולן, ETC. איז עס א צופאל?
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| נשלח ב-25/7/2005 17:31 |
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I don't think we have the right to decide why this is happening to us this summer. Lets daven to hashem that this should be the last Incident this year and for all the years to come.
Rebino Shel Olem please shik shon moshiach.
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| נשלח ב-25/7/2005 18:01 |
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picture of the site of accident
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| נשלח ב-25/7/2005 19:24 |
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מ'האט זיך גענומען צו הצלה!
זענען זיי גערעכט וואס זיי שרייבן?
Anonymous said...
I heard some hatalah were upset why the boy was not airlifted to a trauma center as well.
A hatalah member told me today, that B13 and others should have known, that anyone in a car were someone was killed, needs to go to a trauma center and they should have called another chopper.
The problem was the hatzalah mambers thought the boy was basically ok, but of course it turns out he had a broken pelvic, and had to be transported (by helicopter or ambulance? anyone knows?) to westchester.
11:13 AM
Anonymous said...
Does anyone realize the complexity regarding getting a chopper to a scene? Yes maybe he should have transferred them all to a Trauma Center, but calling for a second chopper is not always possible.
11:19 AM
NotHatzolah said...
Sometimes when there is a mass casualty scene, and even when its just one injured, even experienced hatzolah members can become overwhelmed, and chaos can rule.
This goes to a deeper argument, over how well is Hatzolah trained, and how qualified are the CoOrdinators. Most coordinaters are strong armed into the position, and lead by fear.
There needs to be some qualification to being a coordinator, and not just someone who is politically connected.
11:24 AM
NotHatzolah said...
Does anyone know why B13 was in charge and not F60? Was F60 even there?
11:24 AM
Anonymous said...
The levayeh in camp Shalva ended at 11 o'clock. Rabbi Gips and Goldman spoke. They are now on the way to BP. The levayeh will probably be at 3
11:25 AM
Anonymous said...
Because B13 is a co-ordinator and a Bobover who happened to have been a minute away from the accident. He was the first responder.
11:27 AM
Anonymous said...
They almost never land a chopper on the scene; rather to a close parking lot.
It is no big deal to bring 2, it is done all the time, you can also send 2 people in one chopper.
The problem is that the BP hatzala members and coordinators are not enough familiar with the system up there, being used to run to IZ. The upstate gusy know this much better. the call medivac all the time, to ANY serius accident and don't get so excited as hatalah gets when bringing in a chopper.
Hatzalah in the C even conceded this year, and only Sullivan county can now ask for a chopper, after a simmiler bad desician by hatzala last summer, on a child struck in monticello. F60 was then smart enough to concede that his mambers are not made for this, and the county, FD and sherrif handle this better.
But as another said, whoever watched any major hatazala scene knows, it becomes so chayotic, that even the best coordinator will loose his head.
A kid with a broken pelvis, in a car were someone was killed, goes to a truama center!
11:43 AM
NotHatzolah said...
If its not Hatzalah that makes the decisions about choppers anymore, then why was only one called. How come the locals didn't call two?
On another point, I am amazed that in the country people rely exclusively on Hatzolah and ignore the locals and MobileMedic. There are times when it takes 15 minutes for Hatzolah to respond in the country, yet the locals could have responded alot sooner.
11:56 AM
NotHatzolah said...
Can anyone confirm if F60 was on the scene? Also does anyone know the condition of the body that they were able to declare him DOA and not even treat him?
11:57 AM
Anonymous said...
I actually heard 2 choppers we're reqested by sullivan county, but one was canceled by hatzalah on scene.
11:57 AM
Anonymous said...
Why does a scene become so chaotic? Is it the lack of coordination, the buffs that show up, the adrenalin? Or is there some other reason.
When is Hatzolah going to properly train for these types of events, so that cooler minds will be in control of such high pressured incidents.
11:59 AM
Anonymous said...
So Hatzolah overrulled the locals in regards to a Chopper? So much for letting the locals make decisions that they are better experienced about.
12:00 PM
Anonymous said...
Being that everyone is jumping to conclusions let me explain.... A chopper is ONLY allowed to be called to a scene by ALS (paramedics) this is a system wide rule and applies to local EMS as well as Hatzola. You said "Hatzalah in the C even conceded this year, and only Sullivan county can now ask for a chopper" this is false. In order to request a chopper to the scene the Sullivan County Dispatcher has to be notified since the chopper communicates with the units on the scene through their frequency. In addition, once the chopper arrives on the scene the medics on board the chopper evaluate the patient(s) and then determine if the patient is stable enough to fly. If the patient is not stable they get referred to the local hospital (Harris) to be stablized and then they get choppered over to a trauma center. In the case of a broken Pelvic, any one in the medical field knows that a broken pelvic is cause for MASS blood loss, thereby, eleminating a flight to any trauma center untill fluids are given and the patient is stabilized......
12:01 PM
NotHatzolah said...
And why can't the fluids be given by the medics on the field? How about using MAST pants. I know in the city they are never used, but this is exactly the situation that calls for that.
12:08 PM
Anonymous said...
TOTALLY NOT TRUE!!
1) a chopper can be called by any police or EMS on scene, NOT just medics! (look up the westcheter web site.)
2) As was in the Record lately, Hatzaloh agreed with Sullivan county, that when they need a chopper they ask Sullivan to call for them. Sullivan Fire then sets up a landing zone and the FD, NOT hatzala, communicates with the chopper.
3) you are correct, the chopper medics avaluate the pt on scene and decide.
4) broken pelvis is unstable to fly! BS! they fly drivers who are almost dead! as long as they are not coded!
again, look in their web site. pelvic fracture is one of the reasons to call a chopper!
5) give fluids? It is now excepted that fluid does not do much for major trauma victims. what they need is a LEVEL ONE TRAUMA CENTER and a fast surgury to stop the blood loss, NOT a little fluid!
12:13 PM
Anonymous said...
Whats the website that you are reffering to?
12:14 PM
NotHatzolah said...
So what someone is saying, is that they properly called for 2 choppers, and that the medics on the chopper made the decision to not transport a broken pelvis?
12:15 PM
Anonymous said...
Sullivan county got the info from the police, on how many injuries there are, and asked for two choppers.
The police and FD there are very good at this; since they only have small hospitals they MUST by state law transfer these victims by chopper.
Hatzalah on the scene probably did not recognize the pelvis problem and canceled the second chopper. (the helicopter medics did not even see the boy)
Yes, it is an old story that hatzalah has too many hot heads, who totally loose it on major accidents. They are not realy made for this. the locals would be much better at this.
12:17 PM
Anonymous said...
You guys are making it sound like Hatzolah messed up.
12:18 PM
Anonymous said...
It is very clear that Hatzolah needs more training in dealing with these types of incidents.
12:19 PM
Anonymous said...
Gips does not have the knowledge for such an accident, in upstate Sullivan county. "Maybe" F60 would be better.
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| נשלח ב-25/7/2005 21:22 |
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ווי האט איינער געזאגט?
יא, יא מ'דארף שוין אויפהערען מיט די מחלוקת אבער ס'גוט צו לערנען דרייווען אויך 
"Never argue with an idiot. They drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.
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| נשלח ב-25/7/2005 22:26 |
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תיקון טעות,
דער נאמען פון די מאמע, איז:
טויבא חנה בת שרה רבקה.
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| נשלח ב-26/7/2005 18:00 |
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July 26, 2005
South Fallsburg
Dad of six killed in crash; mom, kids hurt
A father of six is dead and his wife remains in critical condition in Westchester Medical Center after their minivan crashed head on with another vehicle Sunday night en route to their son's bar mitzvah.
Peisach Goldberg, 45, of Brooklyn, was killed and his wife, Toba, was flown from the scene. Goldberg's funeral was held yesterday in Borough Park before hundreds of friends and family.
The couple's minivan crashed head on with a Ford Explorer around 8:45 p.m. on Thompsonville Road near the Raleigh Hotel.
Four daughters and two sons, ranging in age from 2 to 16, sustained injuries. The 16-year-old was admitted to hospital with a hip injury, according to authorities.
The driver of the Ford, James Krueger of Pine Bush, his wife and 10-year-old twin sons were also injured, but not seriously.
The accident happened on a straight section of the road. Both cars left skid marks.
"We are still trying to determine the reason (for the accident)," Lt. John Calvello of Fallsburg police said.
Goldberg was a well-known biblical teacher in the Hasidic community, said Rabbi Bernard Freilich, the state police's special assistant to the superintendent.
"He was a scholar; he was a teacher, a great guy," Freilich said.
Victor Whitman
http://www.recordonline.com/archive/2005/07/26/brf750.htm
תוקן על ידי - Lumber - 26/07/2005 18:00:22
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| נשלח ב-26/7/2005 18:05 |
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Hasidic teacher from NYC killed in upstate crash
SOUTH FALLSBURG, N.Y. A head-one crash in the Catskills claimed the life of a well-known teacher in Brooklyn's Hasidic Jewish community and left his wife in critical condition.
Authorities in Sullivan County say 45-year-old Peisach Goldberg was killed Sunday night when his minivan crashed into another vehicle on a road just north of Monticello, about 80 miles northwest of New York City.
Goldberg, his wife Toba and their six children were en route to their son's bar mitzvah. The funeral for the father -- a well-known biblical teacher -- was held yesterday in Brooklyn's Borough Park neighborhood.
Toba Goldberg was in critical condition at Westchester Medical Center.
Her children -- four daughters and two sons ranging in age from two to 16 -- sustained injuries.
The four members of the family riding in the other vehicle suffered minor injuries.
The cause of the accident is under investigation.
http://www.wstm.com/Global/story.asp?S=3640580
Hasidic Teacher Killed On Way To Son's Bar Mitzvah
http://www.wnbc.com/news/4769312/detail.html
תוקן על ידי - Lumber - 26/07/2005 18:07:56
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| נשלח ב-27/7/2005 01:16 |
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where can i see a video from it?
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| נשלח ב-27/7/2005 01:33 |
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Talking about bringing police in shul,
a few years ago the krasne shul also had the taste of it, and the late rabbi spirer zy"a was a member of
that kehile
in london this winter satmer brought police and german dogs to the shul the late reb moishe gross zy"a was a member of that kehile
I am not implying that they had anything to do with
this dispicable act but they might have been the korben l"a
SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT
תוקן על ידי - 13Hooper - 27/07/2005 1:40:31
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| נשלח ב-27/7/2005 03:50 |
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 מצורף קובץ
It is with a broken heart that I submit these photos from our beloved R'
Pesach. These pictures were taken just last week Thursday in Montreal, where
R' pesach came with his about to be Bar Mitzva son to put on tefilin for the
first time by R' Shlomele Goldberg. these pictures are from the Tefilin
Leigen and from the Lechaim after davening. These were probably the last
pictures taken of R' Pesach before he was so tragicaly taken away from us.
Photo credit - Mickey Gutstein (514) 485-0127
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