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נישט מכתיר געווען אלץ רב הצעיר

דאס האב איך געטראפן אויף א באבובע בלאג.

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The coronation of Reb Naftule as Grand Rebbe & the announcement that Reb Ben Zion is "Rav Hatzair" (Junior Rabbi)

Here is a free translation of the "Hachtorah" (coronation/crowning) of Reb Naftule as Grand Rebbe, at the levaye of the Rebbe Reb Shlomo. The tape is in the possession of hundreds of people & was made public at the time.

Everything in parentheses (), is my own observations. Where I don't have the precise translation at my fingertips, I left the Hebrew word.

The speech is by Rabbi Einhorn "Rosh Hakohol" of Bobov. The entire speech is in bold.

Bepkidas (By the request) of this holy congregation, I was selected; that we should crown (The congregation starts crying), in place of our Rebbe Adoneini Moreini VeRabeini Zichroinoi Livrooche (a lot of crying); today to crown (more crying), the Rebbe's holy son (more crying) Adoineni Moreini VeRabeini, Harav Hatzadik Reb Naftule Shlita (crying). He should be madrich us (crying), until the coming of Moshiach (crying) speedily in our days Omein, Mazel Tov (and the congregation answers Mazel Tov) (more crying).

Bepekidas (By the request) of this holy congregation (crying), I was selected (all crying stops & all ears are perched to hear what he has to say), that I should notify; (then he repeats) announce and notify; that Harav Hatzoir (Junior Rabbi), Harav Hatzadik Reb Ben Zion, the son of Moreh Moreini Adoineini Moreini Zichroinoi Livrooche.

The children of the Holy Ruv Zichroinoi Livrooche should lead us (crying resumes) towards Moshiach Tzidkeini; speedily in our days Omein (and the congregation answers Omein).

(Here are my observations:
• For Reb Naftule; he uses the word Machtir zein (to crown) twice; and for Reb Ben Zion he uses the word Modia zein (to notify) twice; but the second time he adds Machriz imodia zein (announce and notify).
• He doesn't announce that we are even making Reb Ben Zion Rav Hatzoir; but instead he speaks in the present tense that Harav Hatzoir, Harav Hatzadik Reb Ben Zion, the son of Moreh Moreini Adoineini Moreini Zichroinoi Livrooche (as if it was forced upon him) and doesn't end the sentence.
• In the coronation of Reb Naftule as Rebbe, he uses the words mir zolen machtir zein (we should crown); but in the notification of Reb Ben Zion as Rav Hatzoir, he uses the words az ich zol modia zein (that I should notify) then seeing that he hasn't said enough; he repeats himself this time with machriz imodia zein (announce and notify). Nowhere does he say that we should make Reb Ben Zion Rav Hatzoir; it seems like he is announcing what somebody else has decided.
• Also note that there is no Mazel Tov.
• Where the congregation became emotional and started crying speaks for itself.)





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