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נשלח ב-7/4/2006 02:01 לינק ישיר 

 
New York, NY - Mayor Asks CCRB To Investigate The Chief of NYPD And Cops In Borough Park
 
 



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נשלח ב-7/4/2006 18:17 לינק ישיר 

At 11:13 AM, bk5454 said…

It didn't take two days 4 Hikind and Felder to sell us out, what a wasted oppurtunity to really do something for the community!




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נשלח ב-7/4/2006 19:40 לינק ישיר 

מעיאר בלומבערג האט היינט גערעדט דערוועגן אויף זיין שוי אויף 770 wabc



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נשלח ב-7/4/2006 21:01 לינק ישיר 

 

Questioned for the mayor of New York


If I go on the Street and I see a police arrest a 75 year old man which I have respect for him, and they handle him like a dog, what should I do.


Don't tell me that I should call 311 for an investigation, because what ever the police are going to say you going to believe them and not me


Should I at least let the police know that it's not appropriate to do that, or I am not allowed to talk to them because they are God's greatest gift




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נשלח ב-7/4/2006 21:04 לינק ישיר 

By the way what's the whole point of an investigation, the mayor himself said already that he does not see that the police or police commissioner did anything wrong,(I guess they are close friends)

I would like to see an investigation with people from our community involved (not our politicians), to make sure that the right investigation takes place

In the mayor's speech he only accused us for demonstrating, he did not accused the police commissioner for using dirty language, I think this itself needs a complete investigation




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נשלח ב-9/4/2006 17:49 לינק ישיר 

 
Should Chief Esposito Be Disciplined
 
A New York media news outlet has launched a "Snap Poll" feature, which allowed subscribers in New York City to use their remote control to answer poll questions.

The results was
Yes 21.0%
No 76.0%
Undecided 2.0%
 
 
 



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נשלח ב-9/4/2006 17:51 לינק ישיר 

 

At 10:49 AM, Anonymous said…

The Young and the Restless Opinion Columnist


THE Orthodox Jews of Borough Park in Brooklyn lead a double life. They are at once an insular community, deliberately isolated from what many see as the corrupting force of the surrounding culture, and an integral and recognizable part of New York. That duality was on display last Tuesday, when protests erupted after an encounter between police officers and an Orthodox Jew who was stopped for talking on his cellphone while driving.

Of all the Jews in Brooklyn, about 37 percent call themselves Orthodox, and of all the neighborhoods in Brooklyn, none is a better known Orthodox heartland than Borough Park (or, as the locals spell it, Boro Park). The neighborhood, which took on a suburban character in the 1920's when rows of houses were built on tree-lined streets, has been transformed over the last 40 years from "suburb to shtetl," as the sociologist Egon Mayer put it.
The Hasidim and other ultra-Orthodox Jews make up a significant proportion of what seems to many outsiders an extraordinarily closed society, with its Yiddish vernacular and expressive Jewishness. which has more than 110 yeshivas, 240 synagogues and many Jewish specialty shops, and where the sexes are segregated to the greatest extent possible, they often you could feel that you are visiting another country.

Community leaders and most of the adults in the enclave know that they depend on the police to make their island in the city secure. They value their officers — even if they are certain that many have no understanding of the culture and society they protect. This is a profound change for a group that includes a great many children of Holocaust survivors as well as survivors themselves; in their collective memory, the police were often a part of the problem rather than a source of security. It is not surprising, therefore, that many of these older people, including the 75-year-old man at the center of the incident, were unwilling to condemn the police unequivocally.
Young people, born and raised in New York, were the ones who caused most of the hubbub last week, and for all the efforts their elders have made to insulate them from the surrounding culture, they've absorbed it. When they began yelling, "No justice, no peace," they were not quoting the Hebrew prophets or the Torah; they were echoing their African-American neighbors in the borough, who abhor what they perceive as disrespect from the police.
These young Orthodox Jews have learned how a beleaguered and threatened minority in this city can respond when it wants to rein in the police or the powerful. This Passover season, as the Jewish people celebrate their liberation from slavery, these youngsters wanted to express their liberation from what they saw as another too-powerful arm of tyranny — even if the problem was nothing more than a misunderstanding, rather than a return to the bondage of Egypt.
Their rabbis and elders must surely be concerned about this turn of events. More threatening than the incident with the police is the possibility that their children, the products of so much concern and education — the future of their community — may have become too much like the other New York, the one outside the enclave.

 
 
 



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נשלח ב-9/4/2006 18:45 לינק ישיר 

Borough Park, Brooklyn, NY - Arthur Schick Has History Of Explosive Temper
 
Borough Park, Brooklyn, NY - Employees who worked with kosher caterer Arthur Schick in a Manhattan Hotel, weren't surprised to hear Police Commissioner Ray Kelly claim he incited a riot in Borough Park on Tuesday night.

He's one grumpy old man, they said yesterday. "He was loud, he tried to intimidate people, he got pushy, and he would touch people," a worker at the Hilton New York said, recalling his close encounters with Schick years ago. "He would physically grab people and try and get them to clear off tables. The waiters asked the hotel security to remove him, and the hotel had to call the police. He was banned since then to cater any party."
A second hotel employee said that there was "no disguising" the 75-year-old Schick's explosive temper. When Schick was pulled over by cops in Brooklyn Tuesday for driving while talking on his cell phone - a traffic violation - he loudly complained of police mistreatment, and hundreds of Hasidic Jews went on a four-hour rampage, roughing up cops, damaging police vehicles and setting dozens of bonfires.
 
 
 



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נשלח ב-9/4/2006 20:47 לינק ישיר 

At 1:48 PM, A Concerned Non Jewish Neighbor said…

Shloma: according to this picture on top of your post, you were not right with an earlier post stating that non Jews sparked the riots, as you could see on that picture that you posted there, it was already dark when the non Jew started his fire, and here you see Orthodox Jews make fires when it is still daylight outside.

Therefor I think you should take down that post.




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נשלח ב-9/4/2006 21:05 לינק ישיר 

Received this by e-mail

Shame on you – self hating Jew!

What a Chutzpah!

Op-Ed piece by Lt. Jason Margolis President of NYPD Shomrim Society
titled Shame of Boro Park.

While racial slurs and epithets by decorated Police Officers are a far
removed from the moral equivalent of Nazi era oppression, it still is
an ugly form of Anti Semitism and must be decried as such.

Lt. Margolis there were no riots in Boro Park there was no mass
looting, destruction of property or personal injury, as most certainly would
have been the reaction in other minority communities in this city. The
misbehavior of two three individuals does not impeach the entire
community.

The crowd simply protested police brutality in a relatively peaceful
manner and the egotistical cops over reacted.

Note:

Jason Margolis is a resident of Queens NY and has no connection to Boro
Park.

The NYPD Shomrim Society is a Fraternal Police Organization whose
mission is the benefit of Police Officers, not as their name may imply ''the
protectors of the community.''

http://www.nypost.com/postopinion/opedcolumnists/64184.htm




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נשלח ב-9/4/2006 22:47 לינק ישיר 


The picture of Jason S. Margolis


His e-mail address 
[email protected]


Jason S. Margolis is the 2006 president of the NYPD Shomrim Society, and does not represent the Shomrim of Boro Park, (it is a organization with a bunch of idiots) the legal name of the Shomrim or Boro Park is Brooklyn South safety patrol.

Jason S. Margolis hates us and he is trying to do everything to destroy the Shomrim of Boro Park.



Jason S. Margolis when is your yearly party with all the police officers going to be, didn't they threaten you if you don't talk they will not come to your party.



Jason S. Margolis shame on Boro Park, shame on you you, you don't even live in this area who are you to talk



Jason S. Margolis you should know when Joseph Esposito said F***Jews, he meant you to




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נשלח ב-9/4/2006 23:03 לינק ישיר 

Jason Margolis

In the end of the New York Post article you said as follow

The Shomrim Society stands 100 percent behind the actions of the police in regard to the Borough Park riot, and backs Chief Esposito completely. We know the accusations against him are totally without merit. And we know that behavior like last week's riot is unacceptable - and shameful - no matter what the circumstances or the ethnic makeup of those involved.

I wonder if the reason you said that is because as you said earlier in that article

Chief Esposito has gone out of his way to help out Jewish cops in need both professionally and personally

Thank you I know he helps you and Jewish cops personally, but what is with us, people from the community we also need help

You are selfish as selfish it comes, because you get favors from them you are willing to throw us and then say shame people of Boro Park

You are surrounded with full of corruption, and I am proud to say shame to Jason Margolis




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נשלח ב-9/4/2006 23:20 לינק ישיר 

Part of the article in the New York Post from corrupted Jason Margolis is


Chief Esposito has gone out of his way to help out Jewish cops in need both professionally and personally. He has attended more Shomrim events than many of our members, and Shomrim has honored him for his help and dedication to the Jewish members of the NYPD.

That's it he comes to your parties and did you personal favorites, shame on you how would you not be embarrassed to say this in public, such politicians like you have to go, because that's only what you care parties personal favorites, and then be willing to sell us in public like the worst people




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נשלח ב-10/4/2006 17:06 לינק ישיר 

  • At 3:19 PM, Anonymous said…

    As a resident of Borough Park for the last 30 years, I question why is it that Hasidic Jews in Borough Park should get preferential treatment from the police? I have seen their immunity from being issued parking tickets.

    How do they get away with striking police officers? If it were any other religious group, they might have gotten shot.

     
  • At 11:22 PM, Anonymous said…

    Obviously they would never have to use guns, there isn't a hava amina that the yidden would have weapons on them.




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    נשלח ב-10/4/2006 19:59 לינק ישיר 

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    Ari
     
    Re Margoles & the Post Article
     
     The chutzpah is that Margolis went "on record" with the perception he was speaking for everybody...when in fact it seems he's a "wannabe somebody" speaking for the same.
     
    Was arthur schick wrong for driving the way he did?
    Yes
     
    Was the burning boxes and trashing police cars wrong, and embarrassing for us a community that prides itself on restraint and respect for authority
    Yes
     
    Does ANY of the above condone what Captain Esposito said?
    NOT FOR A SECOND

     
    Last time I checked he's a police officer--a public servant. They say it takes the heat of the moment to see someone's "true colors". As my family is part of the public he serves, I'd be way more comfortable with someone who either didn't refer to us as F***Jews.
     
    ...Or at least had the self control to keep his REAL feelings to himself.
     
    We should never forget we are in galus. Remarks like this are the reminders. Idiots like Margolis delude themselves into thinking that by "pandering" to these guys they are diffusing problems.
     
    What they are really doing is what magicians call "misdirection" --get everyone's attention away from the facts by confusing the "oylam" and blurring the "issues".
     
    So Arthur Schick was dealt with according to the law--will the same be true of Officer Esposito? Or that now that a bunch of NYPD wannabees called the "Shomrim" have given him a "thumbs up", will the NYPD use that as a rationale to sweep this under the carpet?
     
    Hopefully Simcha & Dov will continue to demand accountability
     
    Speaking of which, I'll bet if Simcha or Dov referred to Officer Esposito as a F*** Italian (or worse) there'd be hell to pay for that slur more than any riots, burnings, etc.
     
    You know, while I find all the Nazi references as disturbing as the implications of this incident. I can't help but wonder..if the cops acted "Nazi like" in their response, and Officer Esposito acted "Nazi like" in his reaction...does that mean the clown from the Shomrim is now our very own Kapo?
     
    Just a thought...
     
    You know I recently read a piece by Rabbi Berel Wein where he related the story of when he was building his Yeshiva in Monsey, the contractor offered a cross beam that was guaranteed for 150 years.
     
    I don't remember Rabbi Wein's EXACT response, but it was in reference to that being a very optimistic guarantee for us...once you considered our "track record" in Golus
     
    Incidents like last week exacerbated by people like Officer Esposito and pandering pawns like Margoles, make you wonder if Rabbi Wein wasn't pontificating as much as he was prognosticating
     
    Again I feel that we as a community were embarrassing wrong--but that does NOT give a member of NY's Finest to act like "NY's Frighteningest"
     
    Well Ari, thanks for letting me vent--feel free to share this with anyone who actually cares 
     



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