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Large Fight in Boro-Park

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נשלח ב-11/4/2006 19:30 לינק ישיר 

איך האב היינט געליינט אין די נוסדעי, (איך קען עס נישט טרעפן אויפן אינטערנעט) אז סיז דא געוויסע פאליציי רעכטן ארגעניזאציעס, וואס האלטן אז די בארא פארקע חסידים באהאנדלט מען מיט ווייסע הענטשעך, זיי זאגן אז מ'האט אויסגעשאסן א פענסטער פון א פאליס קאר, אויך האט מען פיזיש אנגעגריפן א פאליס-מאן און מ'האט קיינמאל קיינעם ארעסטירט פאר דעם, וואס אין אנדערע געגענטער וואלט מען שוין לאנג ארעסטירט די אלע וואס האבן דאס געטאן.



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נשלח ב-11/4/2006 22:22 לינק ישיר 

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http://www.jewishpress.com/page.do/9574/Riot_Or_Protest%3F_Boro_Park_Youth_Erupt_After_Traffic_Stop.html

Riot Or Protest? Boro Park Youth Erupt After Traffic Stop

The events of Tuesday evening, April 4, in Boro Park remain subject to interpretation. Prominent local businessman Arthur Schick said he was pulled over by police officers for talking on his cell phone and that he complied with their instructions. Then, he said, the officers asked him for his registration, driver's license and insurance, which he handed over. The 75-year-old Schick then got out of his car and asked the officer for his name.

"In a belligerent way he said, 'Don't you see my badge?' " Schick claimed, and said that when he asked for the other officer's name, he was told to get back in his car.

"Then I said exactly this: 'Sir, do me a favor. Just give me the name of your driver,' " Schick told The Jewish Press. At that point, he said, he was arrested without warning.

"They pushed and shoved me. I pleaded for help to get into the van," but instead he was pushed into the van.

The NYPD did not respond to an e-mail from The Jewish Press, but in other news reports various police sources stated that Schick was uncooperative and resisted arrest.

What happened during the ensuing melee is also a matter of dispute. Was it a riot or a protest? Hundreds of local chasidic men, mostly teenagers, took to the streets in reaction to Schick's arrest. Two police cruisers, as well as a few garbage cans, were set afire. Chasidim chanted "No justice, no peace" in front of the 66th Precinct station house, and some threw garbage and blocked streets.

"From my perspective, the events that happened that night are a sad comment on the education of our children – in what derech eretz means, in respecting everyone, especially people in government," said New York City Councilman Simcha Felder, who witnessed part of the disturbance.

"There are no excuses for what happened," he said. "How do you condone that? It's crazy, nuts." He added that many parents kept their kids back from joining in, and that it's important to note that the overwhelming majority of the community condemns such behavior.

"Perhaps it was only 12 or 15 boys – that's being investigated based on footage by the NYPD – who were the ones who started the fires. If they are caught, I have no rachmanus [pity] for them. I feel bad for them, but I have no rachmanus."

Felder said that in some ways he was caught in the middle. "People were screaming at me that you̓re selling out to the cops," he said. He said that he dispersed 150 people near the precinct and challenged local residents who were justifying the riot.

Afterwards, Felder and New York State Assemblyman Dov Hikind complained publicly about remarks made by the Chief of Department Joseph Esposito, the highest ranking uniformed officer in the NYPD. Felder said that he heard Esposito yelling "Get these [expletive] Jews out of here." Esposito has claimed that he said "people," not Jews.

After Esposito issued a formal apology, without specifying exactly what he had said, both Felder and Hikind said the issue was closed.

"We have always held Chief Esposito in the highest regard," a joint press release by the two politiciansstated. "He has been a friend and continues to be a friend to us personally and to our community. In reaching out to us and the community, the chief brings closure to the events which transpired in Borough Park this week."

"If I didn't know him for over 20 years as a good person, a decent person, then I'd be out there even today going after him," Hikind said. "The things said never should have been said."

Hikind was much more indignant regarding the rioting on the streets. (See Op-Ed, page 4) "What people in the community did is unconscionable," he said. "How could this happen? How could people who learn Gemara all day turn into hoodlums? ... For what? It's ridiculous....The anti-Semitism created this week – you can't even measure it.

"Anyone who said it was only a few individuals – it's a lie," Hikind said. "I̓m afraid, though, that there will be no one trying to figure out what went wrong and how kids who sit over Gemara could behave this way."

Both Felder and Hikind responded to criticism that they had been harping on Esposito's comments much more than on the rioting that took place. They both pointed out that the first thing they criticized during their press conference late Tuesday night was the behavior of the community, and that they have been continuously condemning it.

But, Felder said, the moment he mentioned that he had heard an apparent anti-Semitic comment from Esposito, that was all the media was interested in covering.

The NYPD's internal affairs and the NYC Civilian Complaint Review Board are continuing to investigate the comments of Esposito, the arrest of Schick, and some other complaints of police actions by local chasidim. In addition to Schick, two other Orthodox Jews were arrested for their alleged parts in the rioting .




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נשלח ב-11/4/2006 22:31 לינק ישיר 

 
 
Borough Park, Brooklyn, NY - A week after rioters set more than 20 fires including one inside a patrol car and vandalized another police vehicle and grabbed a sergeant, possibly in an attempt to take his gun, police have not made any arrests beyond the three that first night.

The controversy has died down since, but several police sources said "There should have been a lot more arrests that night," said one source familiar with the police response. "But it's clear there is preferential treatment. It's been like that for a long time."

Police Commissioner Ray Kelly, however, said the NYPD hopes to make more arrests, particularly for the vandalizing of police cars. And Mayor Michael Bloomberg has dismissed any notion of preferential treatment toward the Hasidic Jews.

Several sources say that someone jumped on police Sgt. Angelo Russo and possibly tried to grab his gun. But Russo has told colleagues he never felt threatened and does not believe someone tried to take his weapon. But the sources said that in most other neighborhoods anyone who put their hands on an officer would have been arrested, if not right away then certainly soon after.

Ed Mullins, head of the Sergeants Benevolent Association, said the low number of arrests is sending the wrong message. "What I find most disturbing is that the laws are not being enforced," Mullins said.
 
 
 



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נשלח ב-11/4/2006 23:55 לינק ישיר 

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Boro Park's Night Of Shame And Disgrace

By: Dov Hikind
I was sitting in a local hotel room in Albany, after a late New York State Assembly legislative session, when I received the first call that alerted me to a volatile scene in Boro Park. I was secure in the knowledge that the community's relationship with the NYPD and my personal relationship with the 66th Precinct and One Police Plaza would foster a climate of understanding and conciliation.
Confident that Boro Park residents would conduct themselves in the manner of bnei Torah, of shomrei Torah u'mitzvos, I expected the next caller to tell me it was all over, that calm heads had triumphed and that people continued to go about their extensive pre-Pesach preparations. Instead, for nearly four hours lawlessness, chaos, and disorder reigned in Boro Park and cast the community in a light from which I hope we can recover untainted. But I am not sure we will.
I could not believe – I did not want to believe – that in our community, where the most perilous or controversial activity our teens engage in involves the intricacies of a page of Gemara, the same fourteen to seventeen year olds who spend 10 hours a day slumped over books of Jewish law created a chillul Hashem of unparalleled magnitude.
The images of rampaging hordes – of hundreds of teens with long payes, most too young to have even the faintest hint of facial hair – was disgraceful and heartbreaking.
Whatever the flashpoint, it is inexcusable for mobs of teens to set bonfires and descend on a police cruiser, breaking windows and threatening officers inside. We are a law-abiding community, and what happened on the night of April 4 was a disgrace and a tragedy for all of us.
Arson and mayhem should never be tolerated. This runs counter to everything we teach our children and violates every principle upon which this community prides itself. This is not who we are, and those images broadcast across the city by TV news crews have likely done lasting harm to us.
There was so much misinformation and disinformation on the street that night, with people invoking the Holocaust. How dare they? What were they thinking? And to repeatedly yell the anthem of Al Sharpton, "No Justice, No Peace," was beyond what I would have believed our community capable of. To see our young people comport themselves in this disgraceful way was terribly painful, and innocent individuals are dealing with the repercussions.
Bystanders were harmed and had to be hospitalized because a situation that should have been contained only escalated. We all have to do some very serious soul-searching, because this was not an isolated group of troublemakers; there were hundreds in the streets – a mob in every sense of the word. Rabbis and religious leaders must deal with this as seriously as they do any other critical issue that arises in our community.
Within a short while, after repeated conversations with Councilman Simcha Felder, who was on the scene minutes after the original incident, it became apparent that this disturbance was not dissipating and I rushed back to Boro Park to deal with the ramifications of a situation that clearly was out of control. The anguish in Simcha's voice was unbearable as he described the negative developments on both sides. It was a surreal experience for both of us.
From the outset I have stated that those instigators found guilty of inciting the crowd and those guilty of arson should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law. I cannot, however, disregard the obvious mistakes that were made by the NYPD. At certain points, clearly, police officers should have had more leadership, and command was unclear.
With three helicopters hovering over Boro Park and scores of police squad cars and ambulances racing to the scene, the makings of a surefire spectacle were in play for hundreds of bored teens who don't have enough excitement in their lives and are looking for an excuse to cause mayhem. If the purpose was to neutralize the situation, it wasn't going to happen in a carnival-like atmosphere that could only ensure an escalation.
It was a tragic night for Boro Park and the NYPD, but we have moved toward closure and resolution of the anger and tension. Chief of the Department Joseph Esposito has always been a star, beginning his meteoric rise through the ranks at the 66th Precinct, as commander. I have always held him in the highest regard. He has been a friend and continues to be a friend to me personally and to our community.
Whatever happened this week was out of character, and now we are moving on. We look forward to working with Chief Esposito, clearly stated his position in his letter to Simcha and me:
In directing police officers to disperse a crowd that formed in front of the 66th precinct stationhouse Tuesday night, I used language that was inappropriate. However, I can assure that nothing I said reflects any personal bias against you or the community. The Police Department's and my own principal concern Tuesday was the preservation of public safety as events unfolded in Borough Park. I don't want my words that night, or anything else for that matter, to come between the police and the Borough Park community after decades of excellent relations between both. Towards that end, I am happy to meet with you at your convenience to discuss further this matter or any of the concerns you may have.
What we lost Tuesday night, April 4, was immeasurable: self-respect and the respect of other communities throughout New York City. The images of rampaging youths with sidelocks, black coats and beaver hats are burned onto the consciousness of New Yorkers. We cannot erase that, and we cannot yet know the repercussions for our community in Heaven and here on earth.
Perhaps with our extended families around the seder table and at otherPesach meals, we can devote some time to our children and grandchildren and reiterate what constitutes conduct becoming a religious individual.
On Pesach we recount how we merited the redemption from Egypt because we did not alter our names, our manner of dress, or our language and speech. Three thousand years later, the speech on the streets of Boro Park that day fell very short of those standards.
Analogies to the Holocaust and proclamations of "No Justice No Peace" were a disgraceful desecration of God's name. And it led directly to bystanders being Maced, a 90-year-old man on his way to his evening shiur being forcibly shoved to the ground and having to be hospitalized, and a four-hour spree of firestarting.
Yes, this has been a very painful week for our community. And while it may be over on the streets of Boro Park, it should not be over in our hearts. We have some serious introspection to do, for ourselves and for our children.
Dov Hikind represents New York's 48th Assembly District, an area that encompasses Boro Park, Dyker Heights, Kensington and



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