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what a chilul lubavitch! crown heights, be a dugma chaya... not a dugma of a chaya

Typical, making fools out of themselves again, vote, don't vote, postponed, not postponed, if it can be summed up in one word, dishonesty= corruption=highway robbery!!!!!!!!!!

Everyhting against the elections is organized by a commitee for the kovod of the badt"z.

i think this is the only beis din in the world that needs a organiztion to ensure the kovod.

every other rov deserves kovod so they get it. here if they need to force everyone to give kovod- maybe its cuz they dont make themselves respected in the eyes of the kahahl

Is this IRAN - where you keep the poles open long enough to make sure you could force some cronies to come and at the end get the results YOU want?
can you find me ANY other DEMOCRATIC elections that operate in this manner?

Is this NOT bizarre and hard to believe??
Can someone explain this to "daas ba'alHabois"??

First 2 rabbonim agree, then one says it wasn't clear enough......... what was the "further information?" Which of the following was unclear???
1) The Elections will take place by 22 Sivan

2) A Third Party will conduct the Elections and the Vaad Hakohol will not be invloved

3) Both Rabbonim will be able to confirm candidates and the other Rav will not be able to Dispute it.

4) The Elections will take place with the same current conditions as far as: that each voter will be able to decide to vote for 1 or for 2 or for 3 Candidates. Whichever Candidate gets more than 50% of the vote will be part of the Badatz.

you're kidding, I know the truth, there was a deal hammered out late last night between the 2 Rabbonim, the Rov that ok'd todays election reneged on the deal!!!! This is fact!!!! Now they are making all kinds of conditions in order that they should look good. They are changing the rules in middle of the game. Extending the time the polls are going to be open, allowing absentee ballots etc. The old chicago days are back, election fraud.

you people are all insane, the entire vaad hakol and the rabbonim should be thrown out, aguch and merkos should vote on and choose rabbonin, gaboyim, a vaad hakol and the general running of the rebbes shchuna and most importantly 770.

Everyhting against the elections is organized by a commitee for the kovod of the badt"z.

i think this is the only beis din in the world that needs a organiztion to ensure the kovod.

every other rov deserves kovod so they get it. here if they need to force everyone to give kovod- maybe its cuz they dont make themselves respected in the eyes of the kahahl

is your memory so poor that you do not remember that almost ALL of the problems STARTED with this "so called" "vaad leman kovod harabonim" wich is a front for R' Schevei.

Is seems to me that "fed up chosid" is smoking some really good stuff....Mercoz cannot control many situations between Shluchims themselves....Krinsky grandson (married to hillel dovid daughter) moved into another shaliach area in Fl. without permission and opened a center not called Chabad (yet, i guess) and is working against the established shaliach...so much for control...
By the way, all the Rebbes shichos, especially saying "I am putting everything aside..." in connection with the rabbonim election is meanengless to Mr. fed up...Der Rebbe vet oisfiren...

Corruption!!!!! Thievery!!!!! Fraud!!!!! I'm embarrassed to admit that I voted in such an election. If I had it in my power, I would insist that my vote be withdrawn and not counted. maybe my friend Moshe can arrange it. On the other hand, he's probably counting my vote twice. In any event, thanks for the action, it was an eventful day

Sounds like the Palestinian vote, Chamas will come out the winner but the whole international community will not accept the outcome and boycott them.

Rabbi Osdoba, it feels like a bad dream, say it ain't so.

what's going on here all of a sudden no one respects Rabbi Osdobah??!!!

i'ts a no-win situation if you vote ur going a gainst Rabbi schwei and if u do vote you're going against Rabbi Osdobah!!

the only answer is we need moshiach now!! and talk to ur mashpiim!!

moshiach now!!

Look, nothing is perfect. The whole situation is a major mess and no one has the monopoly on being right - all parties involved handled it the wrong way to some extent.

But by voting at least we express our feelings that things need to change. Rabbi Zirkind is an independent type (if he is like the rest of his family) and Rabbi Raitport is not for sale to anyone either (for money or kovod or anything else); perhaps once they get on board they can act as a catalyst for peace (I do not know Rabbi Segal at all).

Let's hope for the best. CH has suffered enough between the infighting, the tznius and off the derech teens, and lately this crime wave. Of course the only answer is to do all we can to bring Moshiach now - but if this brings peace to the shchuna and I think it can, then we have made a step in the right direction.

Moshe Rubashkin is a gift from Hashem and probably the last and only hope for the community.

i think most people done really cere about this hole thing, what difference dose it really make who really listens and gives kovod to rabonim anyway? the average yunger man just continues on with life AND DOS NOT GIVE A ... REALLY it doesn't matter to most people in this shchunah. do i cere if A is rav or B or C etc.
JUST A SMALL HANDFULE OF PEPEL being bord have to much time

Yossel Motchkin is a chillul Hashem to Crown Heights. He spent much of the day acting like a 5 year old who lost his crayons. This is not loshon hora, it's a call to sanity: this man had no place screaming at innocent people. I have rachmones on the disturbed bochur who they paid off to scream that the "Rabbomim say to vote no." We must have compassion for him. But Motchkin? He's been putting too much sweets in his pizza!

R' Schwei would be smart he should tell all of his people to go out and vote for R' Zirkind like that he can get rid of R' segal and R' Raitport who he claims have been "mixed in" already.

Im a farmer from the Rubashkin plant in Iowa you think may be they will let me vote absentee for Moishe to be rov... any ways I have till thursday to decide

We don't need poll-watchers--- WE NEED PSYCHIATRISTS! The irrelevant lunatics at the "top" should be locked up, starting with the psychopath who insisted on this chilul Lubavitch.

But, remember this, CH voters, you were warned and you elected them anyhow. Surely, at last there is a clear-thinking majority who, having witnessed the unthinkable, will take serious, organized steps to undo this disaster.

Starting by instructing your natzig (whether chosen by you or chosen by the little dictator) on YOUR position on the present matzif.

Any body have any ideas how Osdo-Rubashkin Cor. can save their face they kind of blew their cover way to many times. And to Quote Moshie " with their own actions drove theim selfs in dreard.

Rav Osdoba reportedly gave Rubashkin a Heter to count each vote 2 times to make sure there will be adequate Mandate but he wasn't sure if he could count it 3 times. That would depend on the approval of the majority of all the Candidates. We are "Democratic" after all and all candidates must be consulted on this.

Rubashkin cliamed that he is not sure if counting each vote twice woud give him the needed number of votes. Don't worry said the other candidate, we can always get our Rav to reverse himsel if we are not satified with the Outcome.

Any body have any ideas how Osdo-Rubashkin Cor. can save their face they kind of blew their cover way to many times. And to Quote Moshie " with their own actions drove theim selfs in dreard".

With all do respect to Rav Osdoba
the above letter stating the elections should continue until thursday screams for a response
There has never been an election in crown heights for vad or rabbonim or city council or state assembly or mayor (Only on 9-11 was it postponed) or Govenor or president that needed 4 days There is something so totally wrong or did the arabs attack crownheights?

As of 10:00 pm there were 598 votes.

What a BUSHA. 300 were LINKE, friends and family of the MENUDE.

 of the Vaad you will see how many BLANK sheets will be in the voting box, or even worse then blank sheets.

So all in all 298 were people who truly care about the Basis Din.

I went to vote, because the Rov that was Rov with the blessing of the Rebbe ZY"A, told us all to vote.
I think that is a good an of reason.

These same Baal Machlokes a few years ago screamed about listening to the Rebbe ZY''A's Rov, now when he is not doing what ever they want him to do they fight the Rov Shlita.

Those that stood in front of the poling place screaming at every one not to vote are anti democratic.

There may be no bais din kavua that can require anyone to come to this b"d since the the comunity was forbidden to vote. Moishe was able to do what Fisher and Krinsky were not.

john kerry 1st voted fow it then against it
lehavdel
who was there when osdiba changed his mind i wonder what was told to him, any body out there that does grapholigy check out osdibas hand writing was he writing under presure against his will, not from his mind maybe some one elses

hey does any one know what that car noise what was it saying aside from vote vote vote and save you kids

save your kids why dont all those people around that stupid door hang out on the odd corners of crown heights looking for will be muggers that will help save our kids

A busha indeed. 600 out of how many "eligible" voters? 2,000? 2,300? And you say 300 were Moishe's friends and relatives?

Please, please, please. Ad kan hakofa 7. It's over, there was never a time in any election in America (I'm not sure how it was in Nevel, Berditchev or Miami) that an election needed 5 days to be accomplished. How long does it take to count up the votes, Moishe, Harvey and Plotkin? Who do you think you are fooling??

Do you think we, THE COMMUNITY, are going to accept or respect a Rov that was elected in such a fashion? Face it!! The turn out was A FLOP!!!

What self respecting Rov will even agree to accept a position given the turnout and the "possibility" of this election running 5 consecutive days? I say "possibility" because I truly believe that when we wake up tomorrow morning and realize that this WASN'T a bad dream but some sort of "reality" we will ALL be embarrassed at how we witnessed 2 Rabbonim agreeing to postpone the election and then 1 Rov renegging and backing out and WRITING that the elections are to go on for 5!!!! days!!! When was there EVER such a Metizious??

May Hashem heal us all in this month of Iyar. I have ALL the confidence in the world that if a Rov can admit he was "misled" once, he can realize and admit he was "misled" a second time. When we all come to our senses tomorrow, we will see that 4 more days of elections will not lessen the busha. Let's face up to it now and proceed to the next step.

The next step is that Rov Osdoba and Rov Shvei should continue to talk and come up with a plan (and appoint serious, sincere baal Habatim to make REAL elections) to expand the Beis Din.

A Rov needs to admit that he won't be swayed by our local mafia, v'dal.

Rabbi osdobo put out a letter last night (saturday) pursponing the elections. Moshe rubaskin opened the polls anyway. Rabbi Osdoba seeing this amd afraid of the shame that he is not being listened to, along with the threat of his paycheck "changed his mind". he knows the best thing would be fair elections but he was not strong out of fair. Uch un Vay

my piont here is not C"V to put down a ruv rather to show how rubashkin dosnt care about the ruv. when conveniant he listened, when not he didnt and threratend. Rabbi O. would be my hero had he pulled along with courage and not put out the letter that there was a "missunderstanding".

The community should go to independent Rabonim to check how halachicly to remove R' Osdoba.

For years he was feeding us with kitniyos oil on Pesach (in the Tuna fish), refusing to let another Rov to participate in Kashrus. Now when this was discovered he wrote a letter that the "label was mislabeled".

His manipulations with Rubashkin and Co. are now so obvious, that only an enemy of Lubavitch could go out and vote.

What's going on?

There are many things we as Lubavitchers have to be proud of. We have all learned chassidus, and have Rebbes standing behind us. We have so much koach to do good.

However, as is within every community, there are also times when lubavitch news is a big embarrassment. When this happens we must realize that not only are we making fools of ourselves and our community; we are also making a bushe of the Rebbe chas veshalom! This is completely unacceptable under any circumstances, and even more so when it is public.

This site has done a world of good. Giving credit to those working for the community, reminding everyone to be safe, and just being informative are all great assets. They are newsworthy, things that should be publicized.

Machlokes is never good, and should never be publicized. It is understood that lubavitch around the world would like to know what is going on at the headquarters, yet we must realize that certain issues belong behind closed doors. At least not publicized beyond lubavitch.

Everything we do, everywhere we go, we are reflecting the Rebbe. Would the Rebbe be happy or proud to be projected this way?

SOMETIMES IT IS HARD TO HIDE SOMETHING, BUT IT IS NEVER HARD not TO PUBLICIZE!

This website needs a password or some other protection against the public eye.

Am I missing something?

As long as there are only two Mara D'asra (and not [two out of] three), there needs to be the agreement of both, in all decisions for the Kehilo. (And not of any other Rabbonim. See the Rama at the very end of Hilchas Talmud Torah.)

Al-Pi-Halocho, how is it permissable to make elections, if it isn't with the agreement of 'both' Mara D'asra Sheyichyu.

I examined Rabbi Osdoba's letter. He stated that he had worked with the candidates and would be pleased to add them. He was asking for the people to ratify his judgement.
I have observed two members of the vaad hakahol seceding and urging the community to go against the majority opinion. This is a recipe for anarchy. Additionally, my understanding is that a rov who is in the minority should support the judgement of the majority.
Since our community is so terribly divided, let's at least concede the good will of the other side, not withstanding our passionately held opinions.
Those of us who are baalei t'shuva have experience in remaining civil and friendly in the face of fundamental differences. It is time for us to take this skill and practice it in our community.
There are plenty of enemies of the Jewish people who are willing to remind us that we are all in this together. Let us remind ourselves so we don't need a reminder from the sonei Yisroel , G-d forbid.

i don,t think that this is going to happen but my suggestion would be to have 2 different elections.the 1st election will be weather you agree with rabbi osdoba or rabbi schwei & if rabbi opsdoba gets more elections than rabbi schwei than the 2nd election will take place.the 1st election people will vote either

a)i agree with rabbi osdoba that we do need additional rabonim or

b)i agree with rabbi schwei that 3 rabonim are enough & we don,t need additional rabonim or

c)not sure

after this election takes place if a gets more votes than b than the 2nd election will be to vote for the 3 new rabonim(raitport,segal & zirkind) if a gets more votes than b.thit is my suggestion.the only thing is that the way it looks now it doesn,t look like these 2 elections will take place but this is my suggestion.

Reb Moshe you are the best.

I voted before the Pizza man came out screaming.

By the way Rabbi Marlow only got 900 votes and that was when the Rebbe was alive and all had Achdus. THere is a certain group of the neighborhood who never vote like any election which is a little over 50%

So on one day when there was much confusion and intimidation to get over 600 men is a true testament of the will of the poeple to get rid of Rabbi Scwei ( who is a nice techer in ocena parkway but not a rov )

Nobody wants a Rabbi who gives haskomos on sefarim called SHlita

Three years 1,095 people came out to vote. Most did not come to vote for R' Schwei they came to vote to strengthen the Beis Din. Had any Rov run he would have receievd that amount .

Yesterdays vote despite all the pressure to stop the election and the various letter sent out during the day craeting mass confusion some 630 people voted. More then 50% of the election of three years back.

Everyone will spin the election the way they want it to sound. Yesterday was not a landslide but it was pretty damn good under the very difficult circumstances.
Lets be truthful there are some people who prefer the satus qua and had 1,000 people voted they would have found fault saying the elections were no good.

No system is perfect no election is perfect. But what should the kehillah do? Wait till hopefully one day bothe R' Odoba and R' Schwei will sit down and work things out?

If you are serious aboput peace ask Rabbi Schwei to recind his letter from 2 years ago where he stated that the Hasgocho of the Bdatz is the worst in the world and it is better to eat other hashgochos. If he takes that back i am sure that would be a tremendous move to get things moving in the rigfht direction.

Yossel Motchkin screaming in shule was disgusting. He shamed people brabim and rabbi Shwei sit there and said nothing.
Motchkinwas then rewrded with Musaf for his terrible behavaior.

You tak about sholom, Will Shwei call in motckin and ask hiom to ask mechillah>? no way he was very happy about it. You see he is not inetersted in sholom

Sundays elections proves, Rabbi Osdoba no longer has the mandate of the Voters, since the vast majority of elligable voters, went agaisnt Rabbi Osdoba, by not voting for the Candidates which Rabbi Osdoba put up in order to Fight with Rabbi Schwei.

#1 THE FACT IS WE WILL BENEFIT WITH MORE RABBONIM
#2 THESE PPL FIGHTING THE LECTION ARE THE SAME SICK PPL FIGHTING MERKOS AGUCH THE REBBE ALL THE YEARS THEY HAVE NEVER DONE ANYTHING GOOD FOR THIS COOMUNITY U NEVER SEE THEIR NAMES ON ANYTHING NICE OR POSITIVE

LET THEM GO AND DO SOMETHING GOOD FOR A CHANGE

ENOUGH WITH THIER MACHLOKOS THEY SHOULD MOVE OUT OF CH

it should be known to all of crown heieghts residents.

whoever is not going to vote is giving power to

USAMA BIN HENDEL

and welcomes to terorists in to our shchuna

As far as Mochkin, I almost sure he has some mental problems, however he should not be used as an argument for either side.

As far as elections, it is beyond doubd is a fraud.
1. No democratic election approve candidate 2 days before
2. No democratic election is extended for no cataclismic reason (A mentally disturbed person like Mochkin is not cataclismic reason - does anyone really scared of him)

Perhaps the extension is needed to persway those who took Shwei words seriously. But is not he free to state his opinion and influence people regarding election.

The whole election process was an exercise in dishonesty, geneivos daas hakohol and oommenchlichkiet. I'm not only talking about the Vaad Hakahal, I am referring to the Candidates who ran for the Rabbanus. The fraud perpetuated on the Kehillah by these persons was unprecedented. To privately state to numerous people that only their name is on the ballot but in fact they are not running but they refuse to take their name off the ballot in order not to upset Rabbi Osdoba and rock the boat is robbery in the first degree. This is the essence of the people that we are choosing to run the community. When will all this stop? Why should we think that once they are voted in they will stop their dishonest and misleading ways? Why should the Kahal have any confidence whatsoever in them? I'm told that some believe that once they are elected in and have their own powers they will cease to be puppets of the existing powers? Somebody please set me straight. Am I missing something?

Being that apparently the poles will be open until Thursday night I have several things I'd like to be enlightened about.

Does Moshe Rubashkin and supporters have access to the list of people that ACTUALY voted? If yes, is it available also to the apposing party? Because it seems that this type of list can be used and abused in several ways. 1 is by targeting all the 'weaker' people that hadn't voted yet and ''pressure/intimidate'' or have them contacted by someone HE owes favors to – to ''kindly'' encourage him to vote. ($$$$$$$) - They can target their non-supporters in other ways as well.

Anyway, if this list IS indeed available to the organizers of the elections (Rubashkin etc) it should be made PUBLIC RECORD and available to EVERYONE immediately – or at least to the leaders of the opposing party.

Also – and more importantly – doesn't this open up a very big opportunity for BLACKMAL – PRESSURE etc. Isn't the whole voting process meant to be DISCREET and private – i.e. NONE of the party's should have ANY access to these kinds of list? (aren't elections supposed to be run FULLY by TOTALLY uninvolved parties – who DON'T give details to either party – only the final results – DEFINATLY any NAMES….?

Yes we have an INDEPENDENT company running the elections, but a) are they providing Rubashking with the list of ACTUAL voters or not?.

Also, HE is the one PAYING them – and therefore they are answerable to him alone…

Please help me understand….

I absolutely 'cringe' when I hear this: they Rebbe gave his approval…. For THIS rov and therefore he is stronger and should be heard to more.

This opinion obviously comes from people that have never heard the sichos from the Rebbe concerning the elections for rabbonim and what ensued.

In (almost) EVERY Sicha and Tzetil from the Rebbe concerning this matter the Rebbe stresses again and again – that its DAAS HAKOHOL – the koach of the Bais Din is that they were elected by a majority of the community! Nothing to do with the Rebbe's Haskomo etc. just – and only just – if the majority of the community chooses a Rov – he has the highest level of koach- strength – beis din kavua etc. but this has nothing to do with any specific individuals…….

Were not both Rabbi Osdobo & Rabbi Shwey elected by the majority of eligible voters in Crown Heights? (Obviously it was different numbers because the number of eligible voters at rabbi Shwei's elections were considerably higher (– in the end it makes no diference) – that makes them Morey D'asra of Crown Heights with equal credibility and Koach (as well as Rabbi Heller)!!! We are not allowed to denigrate either one!!!! Each one has equal say and input it what happened in this community.

In my opinion, anyone that disagrees with this is simply (making believe he is) ignorant regarding the overwhelming majority of communications from the Rebbe concerning this issue.

Please open the sichos and tzetlach and educate yourself….

How come there is no outcry about the changing of the rules in the middle of the game? To alter the times the polls are open and the way people can cast their ballot is totally illegal. The Vaad Hakahal is not helping their own cause by doing this. Because of their shenanigans this election will never be accepted by the people not only by those that are against the election but by anybody who has half a brain even those who support the election will realize that the whole process was a fraud. What a pity. Had a good thing going.

A call to Rabbi Heller!

It looks like you, Rabbi Heller, are the only one that could save the day.

You are one of the original rabbonim and you still have a very strong following in the community.

You cannot stand on the sideline in such a momentous time.

If you would re-join the Beis Din and by virtue of the majority (Osdoba-Heller vs Schwei) vote out all the messianic shenanigans perpetrated by the m's with the backing of Rabbi Schwei -- you would truly do your real calling.

Mordecha told Esther: mi yodea im lo'eis kazos higaat lmalchus--perhaps this is the reason you were led by the hasgacha ha'elyona to become a rav in such a difficult place.

Crown Heights is begging you to open your mouth and declare openly what you say privately.

Einei kol ha'eidah eleicha!

Please do not lose this last opportunity to bring sanity to our community.

If not now -- later, will surely be too late!

I was Walking on Kingston Ave. yesterday and saw a Father and Son leaving the voting station for the elections for Rabonim.

I was very surprised to see that this father and son went to vote for the Rabonim especially being that the father has been very involved in meetings held to impeach the Rabonim and to dissolve the Holy Beis Din. This man has fought against the Rabonim for years, claiming all sorts of negative things against the Rabonim.

All of a sudden he is a "Big Supporter" of the Rabonim and the elections. How strange. How deceitful. How dishonest.

How foolish to believe that these people actually have the interest of the Beis Din when they went to vote.

it seems a lot of you guys are looking to make fun of a rov or two. well all you guys who say not nice things about the whole elections that's up to you .how ever the resin i don't take most of you that you mean it is the way you talk about a rov and making fun of him. is this what you teach your children how to treat a rov even if you dont like what he is doing its a shame on you!!!!!
you will mock him what ever happens as you have your minds made up way before the misunderstanding came up i look at it as we have a baisdin that need more help so why not elect more rabbonim a lot of you just want BLOOD so lets let our frustration what we have in your own personal life out on the street and the Internet
well GO OUT AND MAKE A LIVING STOP ALL THE FIGHTING MAKE THE SHCUNE A BETTER PLACE FOR YOU AND FOR ME

I have a question.

For the people who davke don't vote, what do they do if they have a shaylah - ask someone that they didn't respect enough to vote for?

I am truly confused.

An independant polling agency commissioned by the Jewish Federation detemined that there are 22,000 Jews in Crown Heights. Allowing for a statistically monstrous margin of of error of 10% and assuming that of the remainder 15% are qualified voters by our arbitrary standards, there are 2,970 potential voters. If at least one of those running cannot garner a third of that number (before those conducting the election use the net few days to manipulate the results), based on the usual apathetic turnout here, it will be abundantly clear that the results are irrelevant and the institutions and entities involved are irrelevant.

It is a sorry comment on the men and the system. Now is the time to speak up and press for change. Go to your natzig and tell what a pile of garbage this turn of events is. Demand immediate change in the Vaad haKohol and new elections for THEM.

Hopeful,

You are counting wrong, as people DO NOT equal voters [Besides regardless of what people will tell you there are NO 22.00 jews living in crown heights], it is only ONE vote per FAMILY and someone not married unless he is older than 30 cannot vote.

furthremmore when R" schwei was elected the number of voters was "supposedly" around 1500 [or even if you want to say 2000] and he needed 50% of the voters to vote for him to get in, yet according to your count "R Scwei LOST the election as he only got 933 votes so we anyways only have R' Osdaba as the Rav and what he says goes!!!

I conclude therefore that by your own reasoning you hold that R' Osdaba [leaving r' heller aside] is the only Rov of this comunity, So we agree.

COL reports taht in the name of the Vaad Hakhal and was wondering if that it's Is it true trhat by calling the city funded agency--The Crown Heights Jewish Community Council at 718-778-8808 extention 28 you cam have the convienience of a ballot delvered to your own home.
Please advise..

Whomever lost (or was unable to put their children to) sleep by the car services (and private cars) going around last night after 10:00 blaring Vote! Vote! Vote! should call 311 and complain about the CHJCC as well as Union Car Service. This is a quality of life issue and although I agree the election is an important thing, none the less my kids still need their sleep whether we have Rabbonim or not!!!

Lying:
Since we create a couple of hundred new families a year, 933 versus 990 Wasn't too puny a couple of years ago. It is not the numbers that are lying, chabibi.

It is obvious that there is NO Rav of this community. The point of what I was saying, which you blissfully ignored, is, "...it will be abundantly clear that the results are irrelevant and the institutions and entities involved are irrelevant."

To further belabor the point and crunch numbers, you can break the community into sets: BT, FFB, far left, far right, right of center, left of center and more. Each set votes when an agenda appeals to it. Thus, this community has always seemed even smaller than it is relative to other Jewish neighborhoods. Thus, this community cannot muster enough votes to make a ripple in civil elections, let alone build a consensus on our own "leadership."

If we don't transcend our tendency to fall into "sets." we never will be a real community in any sense.

Yungerman is correct but the Scwei people are not interested in fixing the problem. Not Scwei not herzog not Krauss not Shagalow not wilshanski not serebryanski not Holtzman non of them and the gang around schwei.
Scwei is a pupet and totally lacks the 5th chaylek of shulchan orach-Common Sense. Now he thinks he is the smartest rov in Lubavitch and beyond. he has no shimush and paskens shlo kehalocho many times. All he does is give opposite piskei dinim to what what Rabbi osdoba says.
Theer is not one psak in three years that rabbi Scwei has agreed with rabbi osdoba.

He went into the beis Din to destroy it. Thats worse then Fisher. he was fighting the rabbonim about money. here you have a Rov that is fighting from within all in the name of kedusha.

"clarification again" - you talk about common sence. Is extending election common sence. finalizing candidates two days before election - common sence. give me a break.

may be you also think that being one sided - like you are - is common sence.

Since Rabbi Schwei was elected there were approximately 630 weddings in Crown Heights B"H. Kain Yirbu.

So if we are to be honest with ourselves and count the results with dignity, then we should not go by the numbers that elected Rabbi Schwei. There are an additional 630 yungerleit that are not being counted to state the percentage of residents that came out to vote.

This is not including all those that moved to Crown Heights in the last 3 years.

Yossel M. is a good man and is proud to stand up for what he believes.

I only buy from his Pizza shop being that the food is tasty and the Kashrus is unparalleled

The losers here are our children. They stand on the side mocking us. Can you blame them?Because of this situation most of our younger generation and young couples have absolutely no faith in our Rabbinical system. They wouldn't even think of going to ask a rav any question. Who will take the resposibilty for that? Shame on both sides for making a mockery out of this beautiful community. You have given the the youth another reason to move away. Couldn't you take care of the problems on your own? Why did you get us involved?
Clean up your mess and try to restore some of your dinity. Unfortunately the damage that you have created probably will never be able to be repaired. This is probably another one of those tough times signaling the comig of Moshiach.

to And the losers are:

This whole thing may be a mockery politics-wise, but when it comes to halacha, these same rabbonim know the halacha and we don't. So we still go to them when we want to know about chicken in our milchige pots or can we do Whatever on Shabbos. I think if we view the rabbonim as "halacha repairmen" whom we go to for halacha problems the same way we go to expert mechanics for car problems or doctors for health problems, all hope is not lost. We can still respect the rabbonim for what they know, not what they politically do.