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Nikhsefa: Theory of all - Aspiration to Unity

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נשלח ב-5/9/2006 14:05 לינק ישיר 
Nikhsefa: Theory of all - Aspiration to Unity

Although that the following link was posted in the Hebrew Atzor long ago, I didn't realize its content until today

NikhsefaNafshi who writes occasionally in Atzor has set up a very interesting site in which he organizes a global ideological theory very similar to the one I am trying to portray. It also emphasizes indirectly the closeness between psychology, philosophy and theology

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http://seekyah.com/whygod 

תוקן על ידי - עצור_כאן - 21/09/2006 14:04:13



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נשלח ב-5/9/2006 14:48 לינק ישיר 

I see Theory as a tool. My theories presented in this site are tools for the purpose of making choices in life. *:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" />

Why God?

The following steps lead me to God:   

1.      The ASPIRATION TO UNITY Theory / Belief
The ASPIRATION TO UNITY Theory / Belief offers the model below, which can serve as a general framework for making choices in life. As such, I believe it is a better way to explain the experience of life in words. 

o        Our life happens as a meeting of two factors:

§         Our aspiration to an all-inclusive unity (in short: ASPIRATION TO UNITY). 

§         INPUT, a term which refers to all other sources to the phenomenon in our life. 

  If there is any meaning to a real "self", it should be the ASPIRATION TO UNITY.
Anything that can be said about INPUT, represents not pure independent INPUT, but our attempt to cope with it.

"Why am I here?" "What should I do?"
Behind these questions and others, lies the human aspiration to act according to an all-inclusive unity; thereby one's actions become part of one system which includes all input.

>How do we see it in life? (ASPIRATION TO UNITY Psychology) 

2.      The belief in the beyond
 I have realized that I cannot understand all input as one system or entity,  which I can become part of by making certain choices. This realization gives one the feeling that "All is Vanity".
If there is no unity behind all input, my actions cannot become part of an all-inclusive unity. In such a situation, I cannot make any choice, for the aspiration to unity is my only guide in making choices, and it cannot be fulfilled.
Since my goal is to fulfill my aspiration to unity, I have to make an assumption opposite to the above: 
 

o        There is an all-inclusive unity behind the INPUT which is beyond human understanding. 

I can describe this belief using a parable of a dot in a picture. 
A human being is like a dot in a picture, which has the ability to decide which light waves it absorbs and which it reflects, thereby changing its color. This dot can see but has only  two-dimensional vision.
   INPUT, is equivalent to what the dot can see  - meaning only the dots adjacent to it. 
   The dot can never rise to see the whole picture. The whole picture, is like the all-inclusive unity which is beyond human understanding.  

3.      Seeking alternative guidance
Since I have given up understanding the all-inclusive unity, in order to fulfill my aspiration to unity in making choices, I need another way of deciding what to do:

o         I should be seeking something that would guide me how to conduct my actions according to the all-inclusive unity which is beyond human understanding.

I can describe the need for this search by going back to the picture parable:
The aspiration to unity, means that the dot aspires to be part of the whole picture, and to decide how to handle light waves accordingly.
  Since the dot can't see the whole picture, it doesn't know what color it is supposed to be. It never knows which light-waves to absorb, which to reflect. It can only pretend to know what the picture is, judging by the dots next to it, and act accordingly. ( But as long as it is honest, it knows that what it sees doesn't even form a picture.)  What this dot is seeking is an alternative way to know what color it should be.

 

4.      The Theory / Belief in the Biblical revelation of God
Seeking something that can guide me how to conduct my actions according to the all-inclusive unity, I arrive at the Biblical deion of the revelation of God, based on the Hebrew Bible (Old Testament). This account of the revelation of God conveys a model that is in-line with the assumptions above: 

o        God's revelation that took place in history (and will take place in the future) can guide human beings how to conduct their actions according to an all-inclusive eternal unity, which is beyond human understanding. 

What I find in the Hebrew Bible is a deion of our relation to God that fits right in the picture parable:
God's act of creation is equivalent to the painting of the picture.
Human beings are held responsible for their choices of action.
God's revelation, is described as if the painter enters the picture itself, (perhaps appearing to the dots as another dot) and tells a bunch of dots: "thou shall not absorb the high speed light-waves!" (communicating in the language dots understand).     The painter can maybe vaguely describe the whole picture to the dots, but they never fully understand it. Instead, the painter gives the dots guidelines  (Torah, Commandments) as to which light-waves to absorb, which to reflect. 
  By doing what the painter says, the dots can become part of the whole picture, even though they don't see the whole picture themselves.

In the picture parable, the all-inclusive unity is the picture; God is the source of it and beyond it, but God also reveals himself inside the picture.
>
Other ways that I can think of, to describe the relation between the Biblical God and the all-inclusive unity 

>How is that so in the Hebrew Bible?
>Best alternatives to this step

Since the Biblical revelation of God is the only theory I have found that passes the criteria of the ASPIRATION TO UNITY theory, this is what I believe in. 
If I find a better way, I will take it. But as long as this is seems the only way, it deserves my complete devotion.  I do my best to conduct my actions according to this belief.

This decision to believe in it, is made just like any other choice we make in life, including adopting the belief that the floor will hold us as we walk.
There is always a doubt, and we should not deny that. The right thing to do, is to do the best we can - adopt the best belief.

  I would describe the situation of our life using the following parable - Imagine that you are on a boat, lost in the middle of the ocean. You want to survive - this is an a-priori assumption in this parable. Any direction you turn your head - reveals only one thing: water and water and water. You have no food. And then, suddenly you think you see at the horizon something that looks different. You can't really see exactly what it is - some object. It could be land, it could be an island it could be a ship. But at that moment, the mission to come closer to this unclear object deserves your total devotion. 

Such is what deserves our devotion in real life.
 The will to survive in the parable is equivalent to the ASPIRATION TO UNITY in real life. The vague object is the revelation of God. 
Life without it is like an ocean of vanities: Any choice of action seems equally meaningless, hopeless.

Last modified *:namespace prefix = st1 ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" />June 11th 2003
R.A.
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Why do I publish my theories?
>Why do I publish these theories?

   To the best of my understanding of God's plan, based on the Hebrew Bible (Old Testament) as an account of God's revelation, the connection to God occurs not only on the personal level but on the global level as well. I think that humanity, with the chosen nation as a focus-group, has to go through a certain psychological process before God will be revealed again, making possible a global unity with God. This psychological process involves realization of the vanity in God-less life, dropping of idol-worshipping, and wholehearted seeking of God.

I think that the psychological process I went through in my personal life is a progression in the above direction. (<The personal story behind my theories>) For this purpose, I invested a lot of time searching for the right words to convey my choice of faith, and published my theories.

R.A. March 28th 2003

My personal life experience served as a crucial factor in forming my theory of the ASPIRATION TO UNITY. The Psychological aspects of this theory have started as an attempt to analyze my personal life, as well as other life-stories of individuals I came in contact with. The Philosophical aspects started as an attempt to explain the reasoning behind my choice of faith; to make it communicable.

This is how I would sketch the developmental process of my faith, chronologically:

  1. Breaking of illusions of false gods - childhood disappointments from my parents and society. (ages 6-12)
  2. Realization of the vanity in the society around me and the life it has to offer to the individual - feelings of lack of a satisfactory purpose to life. (ages 9-12)
  3. Forming faith in God - embracing the story of the Hebrew Bible (Old Testament) as a path to a satisfactory answer to the meaning of life. (around age 12) 


Regarding the chronological development of the ASPIRATION TO UNITY Theory - I have been speaking of the "aspiring self" as the key to life since around age 16, and knew that this "aspiring self" really brought me to God.  At age 23 I felt that I reached a verbal breakthrough by defining the self as "The ASPIRATION TO UNITY".
Since then I am still working on this theory and its implications.

R.A. March 28th 2003
[email protected]




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נשלח ב-6/9/2006 10:10 לינק ישיר 
From Nikhsefa

Shalom Veto,
I think it is much clearer to read the above on the Web. Pasting the text here caused the word "desciption" to become "deion", I guess because the word "s-c-r-i-p-t" is somehow automatically deleted by Hydepark's programming. Also some external features were corrupted.

One could see my updated theory at the following page, currently only available in hebrew:
http://seekyah.com/hatahlit.htm

I intend to edit this last mentioned page to make it easier to understand, and add pages with explanations, getting into details.

Also, I created a forum intended for discussions related to my theory:
התכלית

I welcome feedback.
תוקן על ידי - נכספהנפשי - 06/09/2006 10:21:10



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נשלח ב-7/9/2006 00:14 לינק ישיר 

Thanks Nikhsefa for your topical and technical remarks

I have viewed your hebrew site and forum(s) and I realize that the point in which we differ is our understanding of god and that lies at the core of our different theories

 While you view God as a super personality in hiding that has to reveal itself, I view god as the mere personification of Being for our weak minds. Therefore the ultimate revelation will be an exact view of Being-reality as it is in its global unity, not a kind of magical show. Even if man cannot reach the ultimate level, his ideal is to get as close as possible

 




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נשלח ב-7/9/2006 05:15 לינק ישיר 

You are right about how I see it.
Firstly I'd like to understand better your ideal -an exact view of Being-Reality
I take it this ultimate view would naturally lead to the right actions - right




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נשלח ב-8/9/2006 17:18 לינק ישיר 

Yes indeed in my view the purpose is to lead to the right actions. Furthermore,  "right" means to react exactly to things as they are "dvarim kehavayatan". For that one needs a view of things as they are in the most global view. There is nothing beyond that and that is our highest point of consciousness which for the sake of a better intuition and understanding we name the whole Being god and holify that name and also personify it with ways of worship.

In the hebrew Atzor I have elaborated a lot on this topic which on one hand is simple but also very hairsplitting that requires a lot of introspection

Please have a look in the Forum of Atzor's table of contents (Forum hamaftechot 8960) in the cluster of my name where I tried to organize those thoughts
http://hydepark.hevre.co.il/topic.asp?topic_id=842825


I will appreciate it and think that we will both gain from continuing this discussion 

תוקן על ידי - ווטו1 - 08/09/2006 17:21:14



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נשלח ב-10/9/2006 22:44 לינק ישיר 

I just visited the last mentioned link, it would be too big of a project for me for this month to read pages and pages...
But in general I think you are right about us gaining from this discussion.

For now, do you have a link or explanation for the following question:
Do you think we should assume that there is a difference between what is and what should be?
If so, does "dvarim kehavayatam" include both what is and what should be
?






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נשלח ב-11/9/2006 23:36 לינק ישיר 

I am happy that you got straight to the point

Lets take for example a set of books like the five chumashim and one book that does not belong there is planted right in the middle. There you have the picture in your mind of the thing as it ought to be versus the thing as it is. Now comes another factor if the energy to fix the thing is a thing as it should be. But anyways everything is part of Being which requires the cooperation of man as a "shutaf bemaase bereshit" to advance towards perfection of things as they ought to be



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נשלח ב-12/9/2006 11:01 לינק ישיר 

So as I understand:
There is a difference between what is and what should be
The ultimate man would be devoted to cause what is to be what it should
so far so good?




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נשלח ב-12/9/2006 14:16 לינק ישיר 

Right

However since man is limited in his energies sometimes what should be, should not necessarily be done by him. This is the principle of "Lo tuchal lehitalem" versus"peamim sheata mitalem" meaning that ideally every little scratch in the floor should be fixed but man has to set his priorities if he is not to spend all his life scratching floors and arranging books

Now comes the issue of how is "what should be" identified? The answer is first in the reality of existence combined with the psyche of man. The reality of existence is "Hove" [Y/H/W/H] and the psyche of man seeks unity - thus "hove echad" as the prime motive




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נשלח ב-12/9/2006 19:23 לינק ישיר 

"What should be" seems like my term of "the ultimate purpose"
But I don't know what is the ultimate purpose.
I think the aspiration to unity plus the reality of existence are not enough to reveal to me the ultimate purpose. Thus I wait for a future revelation. being ready for such a revelation and trying to bring it constitute my current goal, as long as I don't know the ultimate purpose.




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נשלח ב-12/9/2006 19:39 לינק ישיר 

I think we do know that the ultimate purpose is a life of flowing perfect harmony on all levels. Cognitive consonance [zrimat hadaat] versus cognitive dissonance [leumat tzrimat hadaat] up to every minute detail like estheticakl harmony as I said earlier

The revelation comes through Sachliel who evolves in a better understanding and focusing of and on reality-Hove until the fulfillment of Jeremiah's prophecy "torati eten bekirbam velo yilmedu od ki kulam yedeu". The tradition'a Sinaic revelation is a strong beginning of that process from intuition/prophecy to intelligence/rationality. As you say in one of your forums the ten commandments are the most basic, then comes the explicitly written in the Torah [mefurash batora] then the understood from the Torah [mideorayta sheeno mefurash] and so on  




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נשלח ב-16/9/2006 20:59 לינק ישיר 

let's put the Tanachik story aside for now.
The basic point of dissagreement between us seems to me regarding our ability to know the ultimate purpose.
I don't think our sense of asthetic harmony should be our guide. one day a green carpet seems to match my room and one day a grey one; one person finds clutter harmonious and another doesn't. How can you explain why a world containing plants and animals is more harmonious than a world without them?



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נשלח ב-21/9/2006 14:49 לינק ישיר 


I agree that we are still far from being able to discern asthetic harmony and from that comes the hebrew adage "al taam vareiach ein lehitvakeach". I am talking about global abstract harmony as far as our capacity goes and especially since we do NOT have any other standard of value. Everything starts from that. Even according to your formulas looking for extraterrestrial revelations, you seek the revelation of what is right and wrong thus harmonious with the rest of reality or disharmonious. Cognitively consonant or dissonant.

What I argue is merely that according to my experience, the greatest revelation is that which is revealed through sachliel which Being-Hove reveals as reality. That is far stronger and actually the absolute whereas prophecy is a mere reflection of that revelation which is continuously evolving.




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נשלח ב-4/2/2007 13:17 לינק ישיר 

Veto Shalom
Do you think that a world containing plants and animals is more harmonious than a world without them? Is this judgement of yours objective?




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נשלח ב-5/2/2007 01:46 לינק ישיר 

Hello Nikhsefa,

Isn't it obviously objective that a universe in which each component of its basic aspects of life has its gradual expression is much more harmonious?
 
The Malbim commentary on the creation story in Bereshit describes the beauty of graduality from growth to simpler life [around the earth of fish and birds] to heavier and more complicated life and then to human sophisticated life, very nicely.




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