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נשלח ב-12/11/2006 14:40 לינק ישיר 
בקשה פון סאטמאר ביהמ"ד אין מאנטריאל מאכט מהומות ביי גויים

אויף פארק עוועניו נעבן סאטמאר ביהמ"ד אין מאנטריאל איז דא א דזשים (א פלאץ ווי מ'מאכט עקסערסייז)

די קהילה דארט האט געבעטן ביי די דזשים הנהלה זיי זאלן פארדעקן געוויסע פענסטערס וואס ס'שטערט פאר די מתפללים ווען זיי דאווענען.

די דזשים'ס מעמבער'ס האבן זיך זייער גערעגט אז מ'האט זיי צוגעמאכט די פענסטער'ס.


Montreal gym, synagogue clash over attire

Updated Sat. Nov. 11 2006 11:17 PM ET

CTV.ca News Staff

The Park Avenue YMCA in Montreal has become the flashpoint of a clash between an ultra conservative Hasidic Jewish group and a parade of spandex-clad female exercisers.

The Y has installed frosted windows in one of its exercise rooms, at the request and expense of the neighboring Yetev Lev synagogue, which also houses an orthodox Jewish school.

"We have a problem with women being dressed immodestly, and we don't believe in our children seeing that," explained congregation member Mayer Feig.

The move has drawn the ire of some Y members, who think the Y went too far to accommodate a minority.

Y member Rene Lavaillante has collected a hundred names on a petition, demanding the right to see and be seen in the exercise room.

It's humiliating, she told CTV News in French during an interview. "We represent evil to them," Lavaillante said. "They have no right to block out the sun."

The congregation says if it could block the view itself, it would. The windows in its building are already frosted. But sometimes it's too hot to keep them all closed, the congregation said.

"Even if you stand in the backyard and look up, you can see the windows,"  Feig pointed out.

The synagogue serves about 300 Hasidic families. The yeshiva, or religious school, has about 120 students, according to a report in The Globe and Mail. About half of them are from New York and board at the school, the paper said.

Y officials said the agreement to frost the windows seemed to be a reasonable accommodation.

But even so, the issue has strained relations between the Jewish congregation and the Y's patrons.

"Intolerance against our community, 100 per cent," said Abraham Perlumutter. "We are neighbours. We respect you and we are asking you to respect us."

"It's like you're forcing us to wear a veil," Lavaillante responded.

Montreal's devout Hassidic community has had strained relations with its secular neighbors that date back decades.

The Hasids avoid contact with non-Hasidic neighbours and their children attend separate schools. Hasidic families tend to be large, and members of the devout community now constitute about 20 per cent of about 23,000 residents in the Outrement neighbourhood.

In a controversial move, Outremont adopted a bylaw in the 1980s that prohibited bathing suits in public parks. Quebec Superior Court struck the law down as unconstitutional in 1985.

The neighbourhood had been a separate municipality before Quebec government forced Outrement to merge with Montreal to form a megacity in 2001.

On this latest controversy, the Y's patrons are clearly divided.

"I think it's good for cultures to see each other, because it opens things up," one gym goer said. "I think it's a compromise," said another. "I think it's a nice gesture from the Y."

The Y said it's now reconsidering the gesture, and is investigating whether there is another solution everyone can agree on.




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נשלח ב-16/11/2006 18:56 לינק ישיר 

Chassidic modesty clashes with female exercisers

 

By JANICE ARNOLD
Staff Reporter

MONTREAL - The request by a chassidic congregation to have its neighbour, the YMCA, frost its windows in order to block the shul's view of female exercisers is ''exaggerated,'' Canadian Jewish Congress says.

Interim regional communications director Leyla Di Cori said CJC, Quebec region, doesn't agree that the Yetev Lev synagogue, a Satmar congregation, and its adjoining yeshiva should have asked the Park Avenue Y in Mile End to make the change.

The back ends of the synagogue, which has been on Hutchison Street for about 20 years, and the century-old Y face each other across an alley.

Synagogue officials had complained that the sight of women in form-fitting or revealing gym-wear was distracting to worshippers, and especially to boys and young men. The synagogue paid for the alteration to the Y's windows.

Four windows were frosted last spring, without apparent protest, until one member, Renée Lavaillante, who takes pilates classes in the room that was in view, recently began circulating a petition among members, which as of last week had about 100 signatures.

The signatories object to not being able to see out the windows and to not having the same quality of light, as well as to the notion that women must be shielded from male observers, even though they are clothed, indoors on private property and engaged in a wholesome activity they are paying for.

Di Cori said CJC is trying to get the message out to the public that the entire chassidic population represents only five to 10 per cent of the Montreal Jewish community and ''does not reflect the community as a whole.''

In fact, she added, there is little contact between Outremont-area Chassidim and the mainstream Jewish community.

''The exercise room is on the second floor and the windows of the synagogue are also frosted. You would have to really want to look to see what was going on inside [the Y]. It's not smack in your face,'' Di Cori said.

She said CJC has received numerous questions from the media and public, and especially from francophones, who apparently think that all Jews have the same belief as this chassidic community.

''The reaction is: why does the Jewish community want to do this? Why is it asking for favours again? We're trying to explain that it's not the Jewish community… It is not representative of [the majority]. We are not trying to make women regress 100 years.''

Di Cori said she thinks this seemingly minor incident has been played up in the media because it fits into the ''reasonable accommodation'' debate going on in Quebec today about how far a society that prides itself on being secular and progressive should go to tolerate practices of religious and cultural minorities that are at odds with the majority.

Periodic clashes between the growing number of Chassidim in Outremont and neighbouring areas have been surfacing for at least 20 years, with some disputes ending up in the courts.

This dispute attracted media attention across the country when the Globe and Mail ran a story about it on the front page.

That said, Di Cori points out that the Y's administration and the congregation came to a mutual agreement, and the Y's director, Serge St. Andre, has ''clearly stated that he didn't get any pressure'' from synagogue leaders.

Moreover, she said, not all Y members object to making the windows opaque, and some have apparently even welcomed it.

B'nai Brith Canada legal counsel Steven Slimovitch ''commended'' the Y administration for good neighbourliness and finding a ''compromise'' that poses little or no inconvenience to the institution or its members. In fact, it appears to have been a plus for the Y, because the congregation paid for the change to the windows.

''Was the space rendered any less comfortable? Can they not work out there any more? No. If it had been, for example, a sewing class that was held there that required a lot of natural light, it would be a different story.''

He deplored what he regards as the visceral ''us versus them'' mentality among some Y members. In an increasingly diverse society, he said, it's necessary more than ever to co-operate and show respect and understanding.

Slimovitch said he doesn't see this case as a status of women issue in any way, or one that endorses a view that women are somehow shameful and must be kept out of sight.

Alex Werzberg, president of the Coalition of Outremont Chassidic Organizations and a Satmar community member, called ''the whole thing a big joke.''

''Everyone seems to be missing the point that a deal was made more than 10 years ago, when the Y was renovated and huge windows were installed, that they would put in venetian blinds. Especially at night, it was like they [the women exercisers] were on the street, and our kids were upstairs praying.''

The original blinds wore out and the congregation agreed to pay the cost of frosting the windows, rather than replacing the blinds, which would have been more expensive for the Y, Werzberger said. He was not sure how much the frosting cost – he estimated that it was between $1,500 and $1,800.

''Everything was fine for months, and then somebody came in and made a big deal out of it – an agent provocateur – who says, 'Those Jews are not going to tell us what to do,' called the media and made a hullabaloo.''




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נשלח ב-16/11/2006 18:58 לינק ישיר 

Tommy Schnurmacher — Observance a personal responsibility


The Yetev Lev Synagogue is right when it wants to protect its students. The Pilates practitioner, however, is also right.

What am I talking about?

The back of the YMCA on Park Avenue faces a back alley. On the other side of the alley is Yetev Lev, a Satmar synagogue.

One of the shul elders apparently caught a glimpse of the swimming pool and exercise area and the learned man was appalled by what he saw — scantily-clad women doing Pilates exercises.

As a member of an ultra-Orthodox Hassidic community, he had no problem acting on his deeply-held religious convictions.

He looked in the opposite direction. From that moment on, the bikini-clad bathing beauties could have had daily torchlight pageants and he would never have noticed.

The same thing, however, cannot be said for the teenage boys who study the intricacies of the Talmud from morning till night.

Some of the boys had been spotted staring inside the Y window.

Needless to say, the Outremont synagogue was perturbed. These boys are not supposed to have any contact with members of the opposite sex other than their immediate relatives.

Until they are planning to get married, they are discouraged from even engaging in idle conversation with any woman.

So what did the synagogue do? They asked the YMCA to install a frosted glass to shield the boys from temptation. The Y agreed.

What happened next?

Pilates buff Renee Levaillant  and several other Y members decided that they missed the sunlight. That's when the Spandex really hit the fan.

Accusations of anti-Semitism and intolerance were bandied about. This has nothing to do with anti-Semitism and everything to do with personal responsibility.

The women at the Y have the right to dress in any way they see fit. It is perfectly legal for them to choose the style of their gym outfits.

The members of the Orthodox community also have their rights. They should not be obligated to take out a membership in the Y. They are not obligated to do so. Nor are they being forced to watch the ladies doing their exercises.

It is the personal responsibility of the boys to respect their religious teachings concerning modesty.

Teenagers will be teenagers, you say, whether they are Orthodox or not.

True enough, but if they cannot handle the responsibility, then it is up to their parents and their teachers to do a better job.

Hassidic families in Outremont are subject to seeing scantily-clad women strolling along Bernard Avenue from May to September. Many Hassidic families have no problem enjoying picnics at Beaver Lake alongside young Montrealers taking the sun in their itsy-bitsy, teenie-weenie, yellow-polka dot bikinis.

You can't install a frosted glass along Bernard or Beaver Lake. Nor will frosted glass be sufficient to protect the moral values of the boys who study at the Yetev Lev shul.

For some, the temptations of the city may indeed be overwhelming. That may explain why the Tosher Rebbe, the chief rabbi of the Tosh Chassidim, moved his entire congregation to an isolated enclave in Boisbriand more than 40 years ago.

At the risk of being persona non grata at the little Tober shtiebel on Bernard, I have come to the following conclusion: Protecting the moral standards of any religious community is not the business of the YMCA. It is the business of that community.

Tommy Schnurmacher Show is heard weekdays nine a.m. to noon on CJAD 800 Radio. His e-mail address is [email protected].

2006-11-15 10:44:47






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