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קליפ: צווייטער קרבן געמאכט דער גירש פון סקווער

נעכטן האט דער משפחת הרבני הנגיד ר' מרדכי דוד פראמאוויטש פארלאזט סקווער!
הרב פראמאוויטש איז געווען אייע פון די גרעסטע בעלי צדקה וחסד אין סקווער,
איז אויך געווען איינע פון די גרעסטע שטיצערס פון סקווערן רבין אליינס -
עס ווערט געשאטצט אז ער האט פראזענליך מהנה געווען דעם רבין מיט איבער א מיליאן דאללער
אבער זיין עבירה איז געווען אז ער האט אויך געדאוונט אין דעם עטרת זקנים-פרייואלד נורסינג האם! א מייל אוועק פון שכון סקווער!
פאר דעם חטא:
האט מען אים ארויסגעווארפן בראטאליש זיינע קליינע קינדערלעך פון חדר!, מען הערט די צער ועג"נ פון זיינע אומשילדיגע טייערע קינדערלעך!
מען האט אים באגנבט זיינע טלית ותפילין!,
מען האט זיינע קליידער בארויבט פון די מקווה!,
מען האט אויפגעהאנגען זיינע שיך הויעך אין סקווערן גרויסן שול ברבים-בפני הרבי עס געלאזט דארטן הענגען א גאנצע וואך כדי למען ישמעו ויראו פאר יעדן,
דער ראש הקהל ר' מענדל בערגער האט אים אנגעריפן "א מערדער"
און מערערע פראטעסטן אין טעראר קעגן אים!
מערערע טעראר קעגין די אימשילדיגע קליינע קינדער!
דאס ערשטע מאל אין סקווער היסטארי האט מען אויסגעהאנגען אין ביה"מ קעגין אים די מויסטע פאשקיווילן, פון די קהילה, און די דיינים, מפקיר געווען זיין בליט פאר יעדען איינעם!

וכו'! וכו'!
דער ראש הקהל ר' מענדל בערגער האט אים אלע טעראר בשם דעם רבין אין די קהילה טערארעזירט (אלס ליגאל אויפגעכאפט)
 ווען ער האט בחסדי ה' געקענט אריינלייגען זיינע קינדער אין אנדערע מוסדות התורה אין מאנסי האבן אלע ראשי סקווער ( ובתוכם בערגער -פישל- און זילבערמאן-ובשם הרבי) שרעקליך טערארעזירט יענע מוסדות מען זאל ארויסווארפן נאכאמאל די אומשילדיגע קינדערליך פון יענע מוסדות התורה, (ב"ה אז יענע מוסדות האבן זיך נישט אינטערגעבראכן)

Second family claims New Square harassment, leaves village

Jun 3, 2011

NEW SQUARE — As Aron Rottenberg faces more surgery for severe burns suffered in an arson attack, another man who says he was targeted for praying outside of the Hasidic Jewish village packed up his family and left the community Thursday.

The fates of Rottenberg and David Fromowitz have differed since they began praying outside the village's only synagogue in September. But they are linked by their defiance of Grand Rebbe David Twersky's rules.

They say they faced months of harassment, their property being damaged and dozens of residents protesting outside their homes. Their children's education was threatened.

Rottenberg said the anger against him led to an attempt May 22 to burn down his Truman Avenue house, down the block from the synagogue.

During a scuffle just after 4 o'clock that morning with the suspect, Shaul Spitzer, 18, an incendiary device exploded.

Rottenberg suffered third-degree burns across 50 percent of his body. He's in Westchester Medical Center in Valhalla.

Spitzer, charged with attempted murder and attempted arson, has third-degree burns across his hands and is being treated at a New York City hospital.

Rottenberg, a 43-year-old plumber and father of four, is improving, his son-in-law Moshe Elbaum said Thursday.

"They've started to walk with him down the hallway," Elbaum said. "He's able to eat a little bit. He's still in pain. He's looking pretty good."

Elbaum said Rottenberg couldn't complete the sale of his house because of interference. Fromowitz was ALSO NOT able to sell his Stern Avenue home, he said the religious leadership tried to kill the sale.

Hank Sheinkopf, a public relations consultant, said his New Square clients counter that there was no effort to force anyone to move out of the community.

"No such efforts have been sanctioned by the leadership of the community," Sheinkopf said. "There was no blocking any sales of houses. Every attempt has been made to assist, not to block sales."

Sheinkopf said two of the rabbi's sons wanted to visit Rottenberg in the hospital and were awaiting family approval. Elbaum said Rottenberg was not interested in seeing them.

Meanwhile, declaring, "I am not a fighter," Fromowitz said Thursday that he had enough of his family being harassed, his property vandalized and his children denied an education by the village's religious leadership. He, his wife and their five children moved to Monsey.

Fromowitz, 33, born and raised in the Skver Hasidic village, considered himself a model citizen, having donated more than $100,000 to the grand rebbe and community members over the years. His family lived in the village, formed in 1954, for more than 50 years.

"A lot of people don't have the strength to move out of here," said Fromowitz, who works in real estate. "I gave them money even after they terrorized me and my family. I am a man of peace and put my hopes in God."

He said the Skver religious leaders tried to shame him by stealing his shoes while he was in the ritual bath and hanging them at the synagogue. People stole his Tefilln (ritual items used in prayer), an insult to him, he said.

"I am relieved," Fromowitz said Thursday. "My kids will live in peace. They will not hear about politics. They should not see the violence and what's going on over here."


קליפ 1 פון 36
ווי די קינדער וויינען ווי בראטאליש מען האט זיי ארויסגעווארפן פון חדר

http://youtu.be/f-_7IMirqx4

 






תוקן על ידי boyskver ב- 03/06/2011 18:03:45




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נשלח ב-3/6/2011 18:11 לינק ישיר 

WOW די אינטערסאנסטע זאך איז אז אזא קליינע אינגעל איז א מבין אויף די מנהל,   ער האט מורא אז די מנהל וועט זאגן ליגענט.....



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נשלח ב-3/6/2011 18:14 לינק ישיר 

אין איין ווארט!

סיי וועלכער חסיד פון א רבי וואס עס דריען זיך אין זיין קהלה מהרסים, וועט גאר גוט פארשטיין די שטורמישע געפילן פון די סקווירא חסידים, וואס דאס האט צוגעברענגט צו דעם שרעקליכן אקט.

אבער פון תורהדיגן שטאנדפונקט איז נישט דא וואס צו רעדן די אלע מהלכים ודומיהן אויף דעם פלאץ אדער ערגעץ אנדערשוואו איז אן עוון פלילי און וועט קיינמאל נישט בארעכטיגט ווערן



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נשלח ב-3/6/2011 18:17 לינק ישיר 

דרך אגב.

איז דער אשכול נישט אין קעגנזאץ צום ניעם תקנת הפורום



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נשלח ב-3/6/2011 18:25 לינק ישיר 

[quote]

אין איין ווארט!

סיי וועלכער חסיד פון א רבי וואס עס דריען זיך אין זיין קהלה מהרסים, וועט גאר גוט פארשטיין די שטורמישע געפילן פון די סקווירא חסידים, וואס דאס האט צוגעברענגט צו דעם שרעקליכן אקט.

אבער פון תורהדיגן שטאנדפונקט איז נישט דא וואס צו רעדן די אלע מהלכים ודומיהן אויף דעם פלאץ אדער ערגעץ אנדערשוואו איז אן עוון פלילי און וועט קיינמאל נישט בארעכטיגט ווערן
[/quote]

עס זעט זיך אן אז עס באדערט דיך זייער ווייניג
דער לא תגנוב, לא תרצח, ציפליקן די גאנצע תורה
אלעס ווייל די ווילס מחפה זיין אויף חסידות ר"ל
בנוגע דאס עפענען א ניים אשכול וואס ןןי פארשטייט זיך די ווילסט דערשטיקן דעם וויי געשריי
דער אשכול איז א צווייטער ענין פון א צווייטער משפחה וד"ל

איך האפ אז די הנהלה וועט האבן מער איינזעניש ווי די
נישט דערשטיקן דעם קול דמי אחיך צועקים

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נשלח ב-3/6/2011 18:33 לינק ישיר 

בארואיג זיך... רילעקס...

ליין ביטע נאכאמאל איבער מיין ערשטע תגובה, און ברענג ארויס וואס דו האלסט אנדערש ווי מיר.

מיט דיין שנעל ענטפערן מאכסטו אן איינדרוק, אלס זייער ספאנטאיש און ווילד.



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נשלח ב-3/6/2011 19:06 לינק ישיר 

שרעקליך!! אויפגעהאנגען זיין שיך אין בית המדרש...

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נשלח ב-3/6/2011 19:27 לינק ישיר 

א אינטערעסאנטע זאך זע איך דא אין דעם צייטונג אז די בני אדמו"ר מסקווירא האבן געוואלט גיין באזוכן ראטענבערג אין שפיטאל, אבער אלבוים דער איידעם האט געזאגט אז דער שווער דארף זיי נישט. ווער עס ווייסט זענען אין סקווירא די קינדער פון רבי'ן ווי דער רבי זעלבסט, זיי פארטרעטן אים ביי אלע מסיבות און באזוכן. יעצט זאלן די סקווירא מהרסים ווייטער אנהויבן קוויטשן אז קיינער קימערט זיך נישט מיט זיי והא ראי' דער רבי איז נישט געקומען באזוכן. אז דו לאזט נישט אריין די קינדער פון רבי'ן, וואס עפעס זאלסטו אריינלאזן דעם רבי'ן?



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נשלח ב-3/6/2011 19:48 לינק ישיר 

לפענ"ד מאטעלע זעהסט מיר אויס ווי די האסט אמאהל געהאט שטראמישע געפילן, און אויך עס פראקטעצירט, און נאך די קאנסקעווענצן, האסטו איינגעזעהן אז עס איז נישט דער דרך,
יעצט לאז מיר דיר מסביר זיין, די שטעלסט דיך אפ ביי די געפילן פינעם חסיד, אויב די קענסט דיך ערלויבן צי טראכטן טיפער, ביי א חסיד קימט נישט אזעלעכע שטורמישע געפילן, נאר אויב די רבי אליין איז דער וואס האט מורא פון א יעדע מאן דהוא און פון יעדע שטות אז עס וועט עם ציברעכן, ווייל אויב די רבי איז שטערקער פון דעם, דאן דיוועלעפט זיך בכלל נישט אזוינע געפילן ביי א חסיד,
און יעצט אויב די רבי האט טאקע אזוי מורא פון יעדע רוח'על פאר א מרידה, און דאס דרייט זיך עם און קאפ,
קיין אמונה האט ער נישט, א ערלעכער אויך נישט, ועיין עוד בגביר אדיר מגילה על סקווער.



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נשלח ב-3/6/2011 20:02 לינק ישיר 

און פאר מאנרוי בוי
דא און פארק איז געווען אזעלעכע וואס האבן געטענה'ט אז ער דארף גיין באזיכן,
דאס איז בכלל נישט געווען א טענה פון משפחת ראטנבערג אלזא מיש נישט קיין קשע, פרעג נישט אפ ראובן ווייל שמעון האט עפעס געזאגט,
צום עצם ענין, משל עס אויס אויף דיר, ווען איינער זאהל דיך מצער זיין באופן יוצא מן הכלל במזיד, און נאכן מצער זיין באקומט ער א הארט טיים פון זיין בעל בית וואס איז א חבר מיט דיר, ער האט בעצם נישט חרטה אויף וואס ער האט געטון, נאכמער די ביסט איבערצייגט אז ער פלאנט דיך נאך ווייטער צי רודפן ביז טויט, אבער אזוי ווי ער האט יעצט א פראבלעם מיט זיין בויס און ער ווייסט נאך נישט וואס די תוצאות וועלן זיין, וויל ער קימען צי דיר דיך איבערבעטן, איך ווייס נישט וואס די טראכסט, איך טראכט אז אויב איך לאז עם איבערבעטן גייט ער זיך מער נישט זארגן וועגן זיין בעל בית ווייל ער האט דאך שוין איבערגעבעטן, און פון יעצט און ווייטער וועט ער זיין זייער פארזיכטיג מיט וואס ער טוט אז מען זאהל נישט וויסן אז ער איז דער וואס שטייט אינטער דעם, אזווי קען נאך זיין די פרעשער פון זיין בעל בית וועט עם נאך צירוק האלטן, אויב איך וועל עם לאזן מיך איבערבעטן העלפ איך עם ארויס ער זאהל ווייטער קענען אנגיין מיט מער פארזיכטוגע טעראר קעגען מיר, ראטנבערג איז עם נישט מחיוב ארויס ציהעלפן,



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נשלח ב-3/6/2011 20:21 לינק ישיר 

רשכבהגולם,

ספרינטער, די מאכסט חוזק?




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נשלח ב-3/6/2011 21:27 לינק ישיר 

מאטעלע
איך קען הערן וואס די זאגסט אבער דאך פארשטיי איך אז אנדערע קהילות וועלן נישט פארשטיין פאר אפאר טענות.

יעדע קהילה האט שוין ליידער געהאט מהרסים אבער באמת מהרסים, און עס איז שווער פאר א חבר פון א אנדערע קהילה צו פארשטיין אז דאס הייסט א מהרס, אפשר פעלט פשוט פאר סווער אין הסברה.
מצד שני און אנדערע פלעצער ווען דער מהרס האט געואלט גיין האט מען אים אלעמאל געהאלפען צו גיין ווי שנעלער
מען האט געמאכט זיכער ער זאל באקומען א פרייז פאר זיין דירה און ווי צו שיקען  זיינע קינדער ווי שנעלער.
 
דא מאכט עפעס א רושם אז די ראשי המערכה האבען נישט באמת געוואלט די חברה זאלען גיין נער לשוב מדרכם הרעה, אדער אפשר גיין מיט א טייערער פריייז למען ישמעו וירואון.

טייערער בן מאנרוי
אויב די מעשה וואס די פארציילטס איז ריכטיג וואלט איז מציע געווען פאר די חברה קודם אים לאזען פארקויפען זיין הויז און דערנאך בעטן א ביקור



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נשלח ב-3/6/2011 21:30 לינק ישיר 
שרעקעדיג! בדמעות שלוש נגד האכזריות צו סקווערען דיין! אבער דער דיין ענטפערט "איך וועיס נישט"

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היינטיגן צייטונג מיט געוואלדיגען חילול ש"ש

Group of devotees enforces obedience to grand rebbe in New Square, residents say

9:38 PM, Jun. 4, 2011

A group gathers in front burn victim Aron Rottenberg's home in New Square May 25. File photo by Peter Carr/The Journal News

A group gathers in front burn victim Aron Rottenberg's home in New Square May 25. File photo by Peter Carr/The Journal News

Written by

Shawn Cohen and Steve Lieberman

NEW SQUARE — Residents who defy this Hasidic enclave's spiritual leader say they live in fear of a band of thugs who sometimes violently defend his edicts — and they cite a recent arson attack as the latest example of the group's work.

Described as "jihadis" by those who fear them and "hotheads" by some village leaders, the group numbers up to 40 men and boys between the ages of 15 and 35, current and former members of the community told The Journal News.

Ramapo police Sgt. John Lynch said he's aware of the allegations, but that detectives have no proof the young men operate as a unit or that they receive guidance from village leaders.

More than two dozen people spoke to the paper, most on condition they not be named, saying they feared retribution from group members and village leaders who shun mainstream media.

Shaul Spitzer, who is charged with attempted arson and attempted murder in the attack, showed up alone at Aron Rottenberg's house early May 22, according to police.

But locals say the teen is part of a network that defends Grand Rebbe David Twersky's rules with intimidation and violence, terrorizing anyone who would go against him.

"It's like a mafia," said a former yeshiva classmate of Spitzer's, who asked not to be identified. "They make the rebbe like a king and would kill themselves to save the rebbe. They're very dictating people, and they like the action. They act out just to show they own the community."

Spitzer, a cousin of the village's deputy mayor, followed all the rules of New Square and earned the respect of the Skverer Hasidim's spiritual leader, who took the 18-year-old into his home as a live-in assistant.

The classmate, who asked to be driven outside of New Square for an interview, said Spitzer had been a happy and non-threatening young man, so much so that he didn't take Spitzer seriously when he suggested acting out against Rottenberg.

Like many in the village, Spitzer was upset that the 43-year-old plumber was breaking one of the rebbe's fundamental dictates that residents never pray outside the community.

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"He made a few jokes in school about it," the teenage classmate said. "I didn't think he really intended to do it."

A few days later, Spitzer was accused of trying to torch Rottenberg's house, appearing at 4 a.m. with a plastic bag of gasoline.

Police say Spitzer set Rottenberg on fire when confronted, nearly killing him while also burning himself.

The FBI is working with Ramapo police in the investigation of the attack, authorities said Friday. The probe also will look into months of alleged vandalism, harassment and threats in New Square, Detective Lt. Mark Emma said.

Spitzer's classmate said he could identify seven members of the group by name, but figures there are about 40 members, ranging from their late teens to early 30s.

"Shaul was the normalest guy I saw in school, but lately these people got a hold over him," the classmate said. "He started acting crazy."

The group's numbers and activities have grown in recent years with campaigns that include the smashing of windows, car vandalism and threatening late-night phone calls. They also engage in physical intimidation, fighting with young people who disobey the rules.

They support the rebbe, following his movements and embracing his message as the word of God.

"Whenever they saw me, they tried to hurt me," said Spitzer's classmate, who said members smashed his camera twice when he took pictures in the vicinity of the rebbe. The rebbe, like his father before him, has made it clear he doesn't want pictures taken of him.

"They're around (the rebbe) all the time," he said. "They smile at you, but if you do a wrong thing, if you take a picture, they're going to make you suffer all year. If you say something about (the rebbe), make fun of (the rebbe) around people, they're going to hit you.

"The rebbe is a holy man, but these people around him, these ugly people, make the rebbe look bad."

David Hersh, 21, of Williamsburg in Brooklyn, who spends Shabbas and joins other events in New Square, estimates the group numbers 10 people.

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"Everybody calls them the jihadis because they do crazy stuff to make the grand rabbi comfortable," Hersh said. "They fight for him. They enforce the rules in crazy ways. When someone doesn't follow rules, they crack windows. The rebbe doesn't like people taking pictures of him, so they run around looking for cameras and break them."

Members of the group are suspected of carrying out campaigns of violence and intimidation against Rottenberg and some friends in September and October after they began praying at the Friedwald House, a senior residence outside the village, say some community members.

On Sept. 13, he and two other men reported that windows on their cars had been smashed. Rottenberg said his daughter was kicked out of school. He told police her desk was removed from school and put on the family's front porch after he got a warning to keep her away.

People who work at the school said the desk was apparently removed by youngsters, whom they refer to as "hotheads."

They act out in the name of the rebbe, but not at his direction, the school workers said.

"The rebbe does not get involved on a day-to-day basis with problems that go on," one staffer said. "He gives out his rules, his standards, and we're supposed to fulfill them. Whatever the grand rebbe wants us to do we have to do."

He said a congregation board tries to speak with offenders and negotiate with them to bring them into compliance.

"If that doesn't work, then you've got the hotheads," he said. "There are always hotheads who think they're important and try to come up with their own solutions."

He doesn't agree with their tactics but said he understands the source of their anger.

"We want everybody who lives in the village to have one mind," he said. "We have one rabbi. I believe he's the holy spirit mind. If you don't like it, you should move."

When Rottenberg's lawyer, Michael Sussman, held a news conference last week, he was heckled by Shulem Sofer, who shouted it was justifiable to burn down Rottenberg's home — although not to injure anyone — if he went against the rebbe's rules.

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Mordechai Loeffler, 33, another of the rebbe's followers who attended the news conference, said later that Rottenberg "made himself the victim" by going against the community.

"We told him a few times not to go against the rebbe," Loeffler said. "Mr. Rottenberg was ready to fight."

David Fromowitz, one of the men who defied the grand rebbe, described a campaign of "terror" after he started praying at Friedwald.

Young men from the congregation would gather outside his family's home, yelling for them to leave. The family received threatening phone calls, and Fromowitz found two potatoes stuffed into his car muffler while he was driving with one of his sons.

Another time, people egged his car.

In the middle of a Saturday night, an unidentified man called Fromowitz and told him not to send his children to school Monday.

He sent them anyway.

The next day, someone over the school loudspeaker told his son Hershy to leave right away.

Later in the day, that same person declared, "If you're not going to leave, we're going to beat you up," Fromowitz said.

Fromowitz continued to send his kids to school until, he said, he received a call from Mendel Berger, a community leader.

Berger told him he had "big chutzpah" and "how dare I send them back?" Fromowitz said.

Berger, whose father Chaim was a founder of the village in 1954 and a top adviser to Twersky, is closely aligned with the rebbe.

Chaim Berger, who died in prison in 2004, served time for orchestrating the theft of millions of dollars from a local college and federal subsidy programs.

Mendel Berger declined to comment on Fromowitz's allegation that he pressured him to pull his children from school.

Fromowitz said he finally moved his children to a school in Monsey — and that the grand rebbe unsuccessfully tried to block the transfer by calling the school's rabbi.

Fromowitz called police last fall after his car was vandalized, and he phoned again after last month's arson, fearful that his family might come under attack as well. Police sent a patrol car to guard Fromowitz's house.


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Rottenberg also faced months of abuse.

On a Saturday night in October, he called police to report a large group protesting outside his home.

The group of about four dozen males, ranging in age from 15 to 50, dispersed when an officer pulled up, police said. Rottenberg asked a sergeant and police officer to speak with Berger, suggesting he held some sway with the group.

According to the police report, Berger told them he wanted nothing to do with the situation, that the Rottenbergs' problems were their own to handle and that he could not and would not help.

Fromowitz was also intimidated at the synagogue, where his shoes were taken after he took a dip in the mikvah, a ritual bath. His tallit bag, which includes his prayer shawl and tefillin, was taken from him.

His decision to give up and buy a house in Monsey ended the intimidation in January.

The 33-year-old father of five said he prayed at Friedwald "to help the old people — and (the community) terrorized me ... I don't want my kids growing up this way."

The teens and young men who carry out threats and attacks are "kids that have no brains, no self-esteem," Fromowitz said. "They think if they don't think of David Twersky as God every minute, they're going to die. We're servants of God, not of another guy."

"Anyone who is successful and thinks for himself and not only about the grand rebbe is a threat," he said. "They can't afford for the world to find out what's going on here."

Four days after the arson, the rebbe condemned the violence and offered prayers for those injured, not mentioning any names.

The victim's family rejected his overture.

Aron Rottenberg's son-in-law, Moshe Elbaum, said the New Square religious community uses young people to enforce the customs and rules set forth by the rebbe and his advisers.

The eight-month campaign against his father-in-law was obviously retribution to force him out of the community or keep him in line, he said.

Elbaum, who moved out of New Square when he married Rottenberg's daughter, said the community does not tolerate dissent.

"If you don't follow the rules, you get warned in many different ways," Elbaum said. "If you don't stop and join them, it won't be just stones. Obviously, they did more than stones against my father-in-law."

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