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נשלח ב-4/7/2004 23:24 לינק ישיר 

די בילדער אין דער איד האבן מיך דערמאנט דעם ארטיקל מיט'ן קעפל


"האט איר געזען די פיקטשע אין טיימס?"


און דעם ענטפער דערויף וואס די חברה האבן באוויזן דאן אריינצושמוגלן א פאשקעוויל צעטל אינעם זעלבן נומער פון דער איד


"יא! מיר האבן געזען די פיקטשע, אויך אין "דער איד!"


ווער געדענקט דאס?
דאס איז געווען ווען משה בער בעק מיט עטליכע נטורי קרתא'ניקעס האבן פראטעסטירט אין אלבנאי קעגן די סקול דיסטריקט, און ר' סענדר דייטש ע"ה האט אויף די שפאלטענס פון דער איד אנגעשריבן א שארפן עדיטאריעאל קעדן די פראטעסטירער.




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נשלח ב-5/7/2004 00:50 לינק ישיר 

עקשטיין, אמת קיינער איז נישט מסןפק, ווייל יעדער ווייסט קלאר אז אלעס וואס די שרייבסט איז שקר וכזב.

וועגין ר' חיים בערגער ע"ה, האב איך שוין געשריבן אמאל, פרעג ר' חיים'ס משפחה וועסטו הערין פונקט פארקערט.

וועגין די ערכאות, האט מען דיר שוין 100 מאל געזאגט, הליכה לערכאות ברשות בי"ד איז נישט קיין מסירה, איינשפארן בחורים פינף שעה נאך א מכלומרשטע גניבה (פונעם קרוין) איז יא מסירה.

ווי האט רב דאמב געזאגט, ווען מ' האט געשריגן מסור אויף ידיד רז"ל יוסל וואלדמאן, איך וויל זען ווער ס' זיצט אדער איז געזעצין אין תפיסה וועגין יוסל, איך פרעג דיך אויך ווער איז שוין געזעצין וועגין די ארונים'ס "מסירה" דאגעגין פארקערט זעט מען אסאך וואס זענין געזעצין 1) די בחורים הנ"ל 2) יוסף בראך ועוד.

די מעשה פון חיים וו"ב איז אמת ווי אלע דיינע מעשיות, אבער ימים ידברו.

די מעשה אז מטות דייטש האט געמסר'ט ר' אביגדור איז סתם לופט וואס האסט נישט קיין שום פראוו, אבער אויב איז עס אמת האבין זיי געמאכט א גיטע דזשאב, ליידער וד' ירחם.

אליעזר קעסטענבוים, איז שוין געווען אסאך פאר די מערכה האט זיך אנגעהויבן איז עס סתם הוילע שטותים.

ולסוף אפילו אלעס איז אמת, בארעכטיגט עס נישט פראפעסער דייטש'ס ארטיקל וואס איז געהעריג מסירה וד"ל



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נשלח ב-5/7/2004 01:00 לינק ישיר 

נייטראל

זאלסט מיר זייער מוחל זיין אבער דו ביזט זיך אליין סותר.

דו הייבסט אן אז מסירה איז אסור און מען מעג גיין אין קאורט נאר ברשות בי"ד (איך גיי נישט דא אריין אין דעם שקלא וטריא פון ענקערע אזויגערופענעם היתר בי"ד).

אבער עטליכע שורות שפעטער שרייבסטו:
"די מעשה אז מטות דייטש האט געמסר'ט ר' אביגדור איז סתם לופט וואס האסט נישט קיין שום פראוו, אבער אויב איז עס אמת האבין זיי געמאכט א גיטע דזשאב, ליידער וד' ירחם".

איצט שטעלט זיך די קשיא:
אויב האט מתתי' דייטש יא גע'מסר'ט ר' אביגדור, איז עס שוין יא אויסגעהאלטן???? דו אליינס שרייבסט " אויב איז עס אמת האבין זיי געמאכט א גיטע דזשאב".

שעם דיר אליין.

נאר איך האב א לימוד זכות אויף דיר אז דיין רעבעלע כ"ק חורינער האט געטאן די זעלבע זאך. ערשט האקט ער דערקעגן דערנאך טוט ער די זעלבע זאך אליין.



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נשלח ב-5/7/2004 17:08 לינק ישיר 

July 05, 2004
א דעמקראטישע לעגיסלאטר אויף וועם יעקב פאטקי האט געהאקט אין זיין דרשה מיט א פרעכן אין וואלאגרישען אופן אז די דעמאקראטען זענען קעגן קרית יואל ווייל די אלייינעס האבן זיי געשטיצט האט דערקלערט אז אזוי ווי קרית יואל האט א בלאק וואיט ( געמיינט האט ער די דעמאקראטישע ווייל נאר די אלייענס איז געלאפען אויף די דעמאקראטישער טיקעט )אין ער וויל האבן די שטיצע פין קרית יואל וועט ער שטיצען קרית יואל

אויך אין אנדערע פאזיטייוע נייעס האבן די ווילידזש פירער אדאפטירט דעם מהלך פין די אלייענס( א דאנק דעם עדיטטאריאל אינעם איד וואס האט זיי געפענט די אויגן צו גיין אויף אנדערן וועג(אויף ביז דערווייל ווי די מעשה מיטן קאץ וואס האט געזען דאס מייזעל) מיטן זעהן אין וועלעכע בלאטא זיי האבן אריינגעפירט קרית יואל ואס מיט זייער ווילדע אןרייסערישע פאליטיק אויפגערייצט אלע ארומוגע שכינים אנגעהויבן צו זינגען א אנדערען ניגון

לאמיר נאר האפען אז זיי זאלען זיך האלטען דערצו (ווייל ווי עס קוט אויס האבן זיי שוין ממילא נישט געהאט קיין אנדערע ברירה)אז די ווילידזש פירער זאלן נישט אריינשלעפן דעם הייליגען יושוב אין קיין סכנה

לא ירעו ולא ישחיתו בכל הר קדשי..
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Talk on the Street

Kraham: Of course it's political
The ultra-Orthodox, and often Republican, Village of Kiryas Joel found support coming from what may seem unexpected quarters of the Orange County Legislature last week: That of Democratic lawmaker Bonnie Kraham.
While Kraham, who represents parts of Goshen, Middletown and Wallkill, voted to oppose the Hasidic village's contentious New York City aqueduct tap, she cautioned against a rush to judgment and advocated opening a community dialogue between Kiryas Joel and its neighbors.
Word of Kraham's carefully nuanced position began to circulate among members of the grassroots coalition opposing the pipeline even before she had a chance to speak on the floor. Kraham, you see, is the Democrats' endorsed candidate for the Republican-heavy 97th Assembly District, and some feared she had succumbed to the temptation of having Kiryas Joel's bloc vote in November.
So does that play in, really?
"Of course it does," Kraham said before the meeting started. "I'm in a race for a district that includes Kiryas Joel and Monroe. They would be my constituents if I were elected."

KJ still prefers peace
After taking a 20-1 pounding in the Legislature on an issue the people of Kiryas Joel consider a matter of survival – a $29 million water pipeline from the New York City Aqueduct – village leaders were not happy.
Instead of being accepted by the Legislature, which had so often accommodated them in the past, they felt "condemned" and "stabbed in the back." In a letter, Mayor Abraham Wieder even likened the Legislature to a "kangaroo court." Nonetheless, Kiryas Joel Administrator Gedalye Szegedin, the Hasidic village's increasingly public face, was not ready to close the door on compromise."We don't take one blow and translate that into a declaration of warשהטקסט שלך כאן


תוקן על ידי - ekstein - 05/07/2004 17:16:49



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נשלח ב-11/7/2004 10:09 לינק ישיר 

געזעגענען, וואו איז דער בלאט עדיטאריעל פון די וואך? פארוואס לייגסטו עס נישט ארויף אויף היידפארק? וואו איז דער וואס שיקט דיר אריין ארטיקלען אין תיבה אישית?



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נשלח ב-11/7/2004 18:03 לינק ישיר 

מצורף קובץ

לויט ווי איך איך האב געשריבן פאריגע וואך אין ווי דער רעקאד דעקט איז געפלאנט א נייע ווילידזש מיטן נאמען ווילידש אויף ויואל משה אין קרית יואל
איז אינטערעסאנט צו זעהן ווי אזוי דאס גייט זיך אויסשפילען אין וואס עס גייען זיין די נאכפאלגען....

עס איז אין פעדזש צוויי אויף דעם אשכול







Kiryas Joel – Besieged by critics hoping to stop its proposed water pipeline and eventual expansion, this fast-growing Hasidic community is quickly developing plans to incorporate a second village outside its borders to safeguard its future.
Vaad Hakiryah, a major landholding company that acts as Kiryas Joel's development arm, is leading an effort to form a municipality that could equal or exceed the size of the existing, 1.1-square-mile village, according to a Kiryas Joel official who spoke on condition of anonymity.
Dennis Lynch, a Nyack lawyer who represents Vaad Hakiryah, confirmed he's been "engaged to immediately proceed with a village incorporation effort" in or near Monroe, Woodbury and Blooming Grove, the towns surrounding Kiryas Joel.
He wouldn't say who his client was or discuss the plans further. But he vowed: "This effort will establish a record in time and successful completion."
The proposal could prove explosive in the region, setting up a race with non-Hasidic groups already seeking to cordon off their villages and contributing to what could be the balkanization of southern Orange County outside Kiryas Joel.
Separate groups in Woodbury and Blooming Grove are circulating petitions to create villages, at least partly out of hope that having greater zoning control will keep the dense, multi-family housing of the Hasidim from spreading to their more rural or suburban areas.
But Hasids already own large, undeveloped land tracts outside of Kiryas Joel and are just as determined to develop it once the village is fully built out.
Property records show that Vaad Hakiryah alone owns at least 310 acres outside the village, including a 140-acre farm it secretly bought in January – much to the distress of Kiryas Joel's non-Hasidic neighbors.
Woodbury Supervisor Sheila Conroy said Friday that she hadn't heard about the latest village plans, but doesn't want the town to lose land or have dense housing built in places now zoned for large lots.
"Clearly, we'll follow what the law says," Conroy said. "But we feel we have very good and mixed zoning in our town. We hope somebody isn't planning to form a village just to gut our zoning.
"It's like a hostile takeover," she added. "In the corporate world, that's what it's called. We will seek our attorney's advice to do what's in the best interests of Woodbury."
The latest village proposal echoes the zoning battles that led in 1977 to the incorporation of Kiryas Joel, named for the late Satmar grand rebbe, Joel Teitelbaum. The village was expanded in 1983 to its current size of 691 acres.
The Kiryas Joel official said that while no boundaries for the proposed Kiryas V'Yoel Moshe – which includes the first name of the current grand rebbe, Moses Teitelbaum – have been drawn, organizers believe it could take up 600 to 1,000 acres in Monroe, Woodbury and, possibly, Blooming Grove.
Just four months ago, Vaad Hakiryah was said to be coordinating an effort to bring Hasidic-owned property in Monroe and Woodbury into Kiryas Joel through annexation – a more complicated process that could result in a court battle if the town losing the property resists.
But plans have changed, the village official said, because of the highly charged atmosphere surrounding Kiryas Joel's growth and proposed 13-mile pipeline tapping New York City's Catskill Aqueduct.
In particular, the climactic vote July 1 by the Orange County Legislature to formally oppose the water project convinced community leaders that no town boards would fairly review a petition to annex land into Kiryas Joel, he said.
The incorporation plan has replaced the annexation plan, he said, because it requires no town approvals – only the assent of the people living within the area of the proposed village.
With roughly 150 Hasidic families living in town areas outside of Kiryas Joel, plus others with summer homes there, organizers expect to reach the 500-person minimum needed to form a village, the official said.
What will happen if the proposal for Kiryas V'Yoel Moshe overlaps with the villages under consideration in southern Blooming Grove and Woodbury remains to be seen.
Although the Hasidim have repeatedly approached non-Hasidic homeowners outside of Kiryas Joel to buy their homes, some holdouts could soon find they live inside the boundaries of a proposed Hasidic village.
Patty Culver, who has lived outside of Kiryas Joel in Woodbury for 20 years and dreads the encroachment of its dense housing development, expressed anger and dismay at that prospect Friday.
"I don't understand why our politicians can't help us. Because they have a bigger vote?" Culver said, referring to Kiryas Joel.
"I don't mind them being there. But why do they have to do this?"

To annex or incorporate?
For land to be annexed into Kiryas Joel, a developer would have to petition the governing bodies of Kiryas Joel and whatever towns are being asked to cede the property – Monroe, Woodbury and, possibly, Blooming Grove. If Kiryas Joel approved the petition and any towns resisted, the developer could take the matter to the Appellate Division of state Supreme Court for a ruling. Experts say that in such conflicts, the courts tend to side with whatever municipality is better equipped to provide water, sewers and other services to the disputed territory – which, in this case, would likely be Kiryas Joel.
Several months ago, Vaad Hakiryah, Kiryas Joel's development arm, was said to be coordinating a massive annexation request that would bundle its own holdings with those of other Hasidic property owners in areas surrounding Kiryas Joel. But that plan appears to have been shelved in lieu of an alternative requiring no Town Board votes: the incorporation of a new village outside Kiryas Joel. With this approach, voters living inside the borders of the proposed village would decide the outcome.
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תוקן על ידי - ekstein - 11/07/2004 18:25:58



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נשלח ב-11/7/2004 20:17 לינק ישיר 

Mench שרייבט
<קרית יואל בתפארתה!!!>

ברעיקינג ניוס און די היינטיגע רעקארד פארציילט וויאזוי וועד הקריה האט איבערגעקליגט אלע פראבלעמען
אזוי ווי מען מיז זיין סובקרייבט ברענג איך אראפ געהריג נישט נאר א לינק

July 11, 2004

KJ residents plan to build second village

By Chris McKenna
Times Herald-Record
[email protected]



Kiryas Joel – Besieged by critics hoping to stop its proposed water pipeline and eventual expansion, this fast-growing Hasidic community is quickly developing plans to incorporate a second village outside its borders to safeguard its future.
Vaad Hakiryah, a major landholding company that acts as Kiryas Joel's development arm, is leading an effort to form a municipality that could equal or exceed the size of the existing, 1.1-square-mile village, according to a Kiryas Joel official who spoke on condition of anonymity.
Dennis Lynch, a Nyack lawyer who represents Vaad Hakiryah, confirmed he's been "engaged to immediately proceed with a village incorporation effort" in or near Monroe, Woodbury and Blooming Grove, the towns surrounding Kiryas Joel.
He wouldn't say who his client was or discuss the plans further. But he vowed: "This effort will establish a record in time and successful completion."
The proposal could prove explosive in the region, setting up a race with non-Hasidic groups already seeking to cordon off their villages and contributing to what could be the balkanization of southern Orange County outside Kiryas Joel.
Separate groups in Woodbury and Blooming Grove are circulating petitions to create villages, at least partly out of hope that having greater zoning control will keep the dense, multi-family housing of the Hasidim from spreading to their more rural or suburban areas.
But Hasids already own large, undeveloped land tracts outside of Kiryas Joel and are just as determined to develop it once the village is fully built out.
Property records show that Vaad Hakiryah alone owns at least 310 acres outside the village, including a 140-acre farm it secretly bought in January – much to the distress of Kiryas Joel's non-Hasidic neighbors.
Woodbury Supervisor Sheila Conroy said Friday that she hadn't heard about the latest village plans, but doesn't want the town to lose land or have dense housing built in places now zoned for large lots.
"Clearly, we'll follow what the law says," Conroy said. "But we feel we have very good and mixed zoning in our town. We hope somebody isn't planning to form a village just to gut our zoning.
"It's like a hostile takeover," she added. "In the corporate world, that's what it's called. We will seek our attorney's advice to do what's in the best interests of Woodbury."
The latest village proposal echoes the zoning battles that led in 1977 to the incorporation of Kiryas Joel, named for the late Satmar grand rebbe, Joel Teitelbaum. The village was expanded in 1983 to its current size of 691 acres.
The Kiryas Joel official said that while no boundaries for the proposed Kiryas V'Yoel Moshe – which includes the first name of the current grand rebbe, Moses Teitelbaum – have been drawn, organizers believe it could take up 600 to 1,000 acres in Monroe, Woodbury and, possibly, Blooming Grove.
Just four months ago, Vaad Hakiryah was said to be coordinating an effort to bring Hasidic-owned property in Monroe and Woodbury into Kiryas Joel through annexation – a more complicated process that could result in a court battle if the town losing the property resists.
But plans have changed, the village official said, because of the highly charged atmosphere surrounding Kiryas Joel's growth and proposed 13-mile pipeline tapping New York City's Catskill Aqueduct.
In particular, the climactic vote July 1 by the Orange County Legislature to formally oppose the water project convinced community leaders that no town boards would fairly review a petition to annex land into Kiryas Joel, he said.
The incorporation plan has replaced the annexation plan, he said, because it requires no town approvals – only the assent of the people living within the area of the proposed village.
With roughly 150 Hasidic families living in town areas outside of Kiryas Joel, plus others with summer homes there, organizers expect to reach the 500-person minimum needed to form a village, the official said.
What will happen if the proposal for Kiryas V'Yoel Moshe overlaps with the villages under consideration in southern Blooming Grove and Woodbury remains to be seen.
Although the Hasidim have repeatedly approached non-Hasidic homeowners outside of Kiryas Joel to buy their homes, some holdouts could soon find they live inside the boundaries of a proposed Hasidic village.
Patty Culver, who has lived outside of Kiryas Joel in Woodbury for 20 years and dreads the encroachment of its dense housing development, expressed anger and dismay at that prospect Friday.
"I don't understand why our politicians can't help us. Because they have a bigger vote?" Culver said, referring to Kiryas Joel.
"I don't mind them being there. But why do they have to do this?"

To annex or incorporate?
For land to be annexed into Kiryas Joel, a developer would have to petition the governing bodies of Kiryas Joel and whatever towns are being asked to cede the property – Monroe, Woodbury and, possibly, Blooming Grove. If Kiryas Joel approved the petition and any towns resisted, the developer could take the matter to the Appellate Division of state Supreme Court for a ruling. Experts say that in such conflicts, the courts tend to side with whatever municipality is better equipped to provide water, sewers and other services to the disputed territory – which, in this case, would likely be Kiryas Joel.
Several months ago, Vaad Hakiryah, Kiryas Joel's development arm, was said to be coordinating a massive annexation request that would bundle its own holdings with those of other Hasidic property owners in areas surrounding Kiryas Joel. But that plan appears to have been shelved in lieu of an alternative requiring no Town Board votes: the incorporation of a new village outside Kiryas Joel. With this approach, voters living inside the borders of the proposed village would decide the outcome.




July 11, 2004

Myriad of deals done to carve out new village

By Chris McKenna
Times Herald-Record
[email protected]

Kiryas Joel – In January, when one of the last farms in Monroe and Woodbury quietly changed hands in two quick deals, a mysterious organization from Kiryas Joel with $12.7 million at its disposal wound up with the 140-acre prize.
Less than two months later, when news broke of a plan to annex the newly bought ACE Farm and hundreds more acres into Kiryas Joel, the same entity was said to be coordinating the effort.
That entity is Vaad Hakiryah of Kiryas Joel Inc., an organization tied to the Satmar Hasidic community's main synagogue – Congregation Yetev Lev D'Satmar – and led by a former village official named Mayer Hirsch.
For at least 12 years, it has held much of Kiryas Joel's vacant land and acted as its invisible hand of development, parceling out precious acres to builders erecting multi-family housing to keep pace with the rapid population growth.
Until recently, Vaad Hakiryah was known only in the insular and divided world of the Satmar Hasidim, where dissidents have long complained that it controls Kiryas Joel's housing market and improperly bridges church and state realms – charges that village officials steadfastly deny.
But with the ACE Farm purchase and annexation plan, Vaad Hakiryah – which now owns at least 310 undeveloped acres outside of Kiryas Joel in Monroe and Woodbury – has stepped into the increasingly heated politics surrounding the development of one of New York's youngest and fastest-growing communities.
Its role could soon become even more prominent – and the atmosphere hotter.
A Kiryas Joel official, speaking on condition of anonymity, revealed late last week that Vaad Hakiryah has shelved the annexation plan and instead will seek to incorporate a second Hasidic village – an alternative that could prove faster than annexation, while bypassing opposition from the leaders of neighboring towns.
Vaad Hakiryah means roughly "the committee of the settlement" in Yiddish, the primary language in Kiryas Joel. When it formed, who created it and how it came to possess so much of Kiryas Joel's vacant land is a matter of dispute, like so much else in the village.
Public records indicate it officially came into being in October 1989, when it was incorporated with Hirsch – then a village trustee – as its leader. The following July, four paper corporations were created to hold and transfer its land.
Two years later, on a single day in October 1992, 32 parcels totaling 153 acres passed into its hands. The inherited land made up 22 percent of the village's meager 1.1 square miles.
The reason for the transfer is unclear. William Goldenberg, a 68-year-old Kiryas Joel resident who appears to have signed the deeds shifting ownership from five paper corporations to the four controlled by Vaad Hakiryah, didn't return numerous phone calls for comment.
Over the years, Vaad Hakiryah has carved up its land and distributed much of it among developers, the village government, the United Talmudical Academy of Kiryas Joel Inc. – the religious school system used by most children in the community – and other entities.
Records of those transactions suggest that Vaad Hakiryah has at times used its valuable land to help the UTA raise money.
For example, while dicing and distributing a 79-acre chunk of land off Mountain Road – where most of Kiryas Joel's new development is taking place – it gave or sold the UTA 65 acres. The school system later sold the land to developers for $11.2 million. (See sidebar, "Carving the pie.")
Dissidents have repeatedly charged in federal lawsuits against the village that Vaad Hakiryah operates in a blurred nexus of government and synagogue leadership in Kiryas Joel.
Michael Sussman, a Goshen-based civil rights lawyer who has represented the dissidents, charged in a 1997 complaint that the organization was merely an association of congregation members and village officials and "the vehicle by which impermissible entanglement between government and religion is effected."
The charge was based partly on the revelation that Moses Teitelbaum, the Satmar grand rebbe, had decreed in May 1989 that builders must pay the UTA $10,000 for every new apartment and that Vaad Hakiryah would collect the money. The payments were said to pay for the new school space needed to accommodate the added population.
The dissidents implied that the village wouldn't issue building permits – a municipal function – until a religious school system had been paid. But they submitted no evidence linking the payments to building permits, and village officials denied any such link existed.
"No such monies have ever been received during my tenure as village clerk," Gedalye Szegedin replied in a court statement.
He said he was "unaware of any instance in which a developer was denied a building permit or other municipal approvals by the village because of this alleged $10,000 payment."
Dissidents supported their argument by pointing to the overlapping leadership of Vaad Hakiryah, the congregation and village government.
For instance, Kiryas Joel Mayor Abraham Wieder, a municipal official since 1984 and a former Congregation Yetev Lev president, signed public documents as the president of Vaad Hakiryah at least three times in 1990 and 1991, while he was deputy mayor. Copies of those papers were filed in court as evidence in connection with a 1995 dissident lawsuit.
Another link was Hirsch, a village trustee from 1982 to 1990 and chairman of the planning and zoning boards from 1990 to 1997 – while he was also the leader of Vaad Hakiryah.
During the 1990s, while running Vaad Hakirayh, Hirsch also was chairman of the Kiryas Joel Municipal Local Development Corp., a quasi-governmental agency whose building projects included the village medical center, completed in 1999.
Today, Hirsch, 54, serves on no village boards but is vice chairman of the development corporation. Both he and Wieder, in addition to their other roles, are trustees of the UTA school system.
Hirsch declined to comment for this story, referring all questions to his lawyer. Wieder, 55, also wouldn't discuss Vaad Hakiryah.
"The Vaad is neither part of, nor affiliated with the Village of Kiryas Joel," Hirsch's lawyer, Dennis Lynch of Nyack, wrote in response to written questions.
Refusing to discuss any of the organization's business dealings, Lynch also wrote: "The Vaad as a private for-profit entity is not required to disclose confidential commercial business matters including what properties it manages, if any."
Here's one property Vaad Hakiryah now manages: ACE Farm.
Earlier this year, word leaked out that the beloved, family-owned institution where locals have bought fresh eggs and other produce for years, had finally been sold to a developer – as neighbors long feared.
The buyer at first appeared to be a businessman from Corinth, who wanted to open some sort of recycling operation. But Ralph Petruzzo turned out to be merely a front man: He had actually flipped the Etzel family's land within days for a $1 million profit to Vaad Hakiryah.
For neighbors, the news conjured unpleasant images of more dense housing spreading across the 140 acres of fields bordering Kiryas Joel.
They got another shock in March, when it turned out plans had already emerged to try to annex ACE Farm and other Hasidic-owned property into Kiryas Joel from neighboring Monroe and Woodbury.
The Hasidic property owners had received a proposed contract, written in Hebrew, saying that Vaad Hakiryah would bundle their property with its own in a single annexation request.
In return, the landowners would have to pay $12 for every square foot of apartment space that could be built on their land – a charge that would pour millions of dollars into Vaad Hakiryah's coffers.
The proposal justified the charge by saying the organization had spent "tens of millions of dollars" on the community – to build roads, water and sewer lines, synagogues, ritual baths, the medical center, the shopping center and more – and would spend millions more in the future.
It's impossible to determine the extent to which those claims are true.
Lynch would say only that Vaad Hakiryah, like any other developer, has paid for "water, sewer lines, roads and other infrastructure" and then turned over the finished products to "the municipality having appropriate jurisdiction" – in this case, Kiryas Joel.
But he also distanced Vaad Hakiryah from any claims made in the proposal, saying it was written by a planner named Simon Gelb and has not been approved by Hirsch or his organization. Gelb, 33, who lives in Kiryas Joel, didn't return calls seeking comment.
A citizens' group called the Southern Orange County Alliance has since sprung up to oppose any future annexation request, as well as Kiryas Joel's plan to tap into New York City's water supply to meet its constantly rising demand – seen by opponents as the engine for more explosive growth.
But it now appears there may be no annexation request to resist. Instead, the Alliance might soon encounter a new target: a proposed village called Kiryas V'Yoel Moshe.

Carving the pie
Here is how Vaad Hakiryah, Kiryas Joel's invisible hand of development, has carved up and distributed a 79.5-acre chunk of land it inherited in October 1992 from several paper corporations.
Mazel Properties of Brooklyn bought the land from a Montgomery woman in January 1979, when it was an undeveloped tract in Monroe bordering the 2-year-old Village of Kiryas Joel. Kiryas Joel annexed the property in 1983 and dubbed it Section 307 on tax maps.
The property has since been subdivided numerous times and distributed, mostly to developers. Almost 65 acres passed first through the hands of the United Talmudical Academy of Kiryas Joel Inc., the village's religious school system. Property records show the UTA sold its share of the land in 1995 to developers for $11.2 million. Within the past five years, 222 condominiums and apartments have been built and occupied, 207 are nearing completion, and at least 318 are planned – a total of 747 homes.

1. 207 condos nearing completion and 126 more planned on 36.7 acres. Includes property the UTA sold to Kiryas Joel builder Abraham Goldberger on March 25, 2003, for $6.7 million.
2. 48 condos on 2.3 acres. Part of land UTA sold to Kiryas Joel developer Jacob Sofer on Feb. 20, 2003, for $1.2 million.
3. 48 apartments and grocery store on 5.4 acres. UTA sold the land to Shamrock Affordable Housing on April 29, 1999, for $481,000.
4. 102 condos on 7 acres, partly vacant. UTA sold Sofer the land on Jan. 26, 2001, for $1.6 million. (Six condos built by GPN Construction, which bought less than an acre from Sofer on Nov. 19, 2002 for $600,000.)
5. 24 condos on 1.3 acres. Part of land UTA sold Sofer on Feb. 20, 2003, for $1.2 million.
6. Partly cleared for construction of 192 proposed condos on 11.5 acres. Vaad Hakiryah sold Sofer the land on June 19, 2003, for $1.38 million.
7. Municipal water tank, Village of Kiryas Joel.
8. Vacant home on 5.2 acres, owned by Solomon Berkowitz.
9. Two municipal building projects on 4.4 acres. A new fire station – which will have a workforce development center on the second floor – opened this year. Behind the fire station, construction has started on a convalescence center for mothers. The village sold the land to the Kiryas Joel Municipal Local Development Corp. on Nov. 11, 2003, for $387,000.


July 11, 2004

Making a new village

By Maureen Nandini Mitra
Times Herald-Record
[email protected]

Welcome to the balkanization of southern Orange County, where speculation, tension and rumors are rife these days.
Petitions to incorporate as villages are circulating in south Blooming Grove and Woodbury.
Simultaneously, the Hasidim, whom the residents of these towns are trying to keep out, have plans afoot to create another village near Kiryas Joel.
While the clash between two cultures has people on both sides scrambling for legal protections, there's little information on the streets about what creating another tier of local government would mean and how that could help maintain a way of life that each of these groups is trying to preserve.
Here are some common questions about creating new villages:

Why create a village?
Since 1940, there have been 25 villages created in New York.
In recent years, the most commonly cited reason for seeking incorporation is the desire to control or limit development, principally by getting more localized control over zoning. That is what residents spearheading the moves in Blooming Grove and Woodbury are hoping to achieve. The idea is to put in place zoning laws that would prevent high-density housing that Kiryas Joel prefers and also block possible annexation moves by the Hasidic village.
The youngest village in New York is East Nassau in Rensselaer County, which was incorporated in 1998 to keep a quarry from setting up shop in the area.
The village has a population of more than 500 and an annual budget of $108,000.

How is a village formed?
To be incorporated as a village, a petition signed by 20 percent of the qualified voters in the area, or by owners of 50 percent of assessed value of the area in question, has to be submitted to the town supervisor, who then schedules a public hearing.
The area to be incorporated shouldn't exceed 5 square miles and should have a population of at least 500.
Following the hearing, the supervisor makes a written determination of the sufficiency of the petition. Once the petition is approved, an election is held within the proposed village area.
If the proposal gets a majority vote, a new village can be formed. It does not require approval of other governing bodies at the state or local levels.

Can creating a village stop annexation?
Technically, no. A village can annex land from another village. Creating one could, however, have a substantial impact in letting a petition to request annexation move forward, says Eamon Moynihan, spokesman for the New York Department of State.
In order to have an annexation petition go through, 20 percent of the village population eligible to vote, or people who own 50 percent of the assessed value of the area in question, have to agree to be annexed.
Obviously, in a village where most residents want to keep the Hasids out, such a move can be blocked, or at least delayed substantially, says SUNY New Paltz political scientist Gerry Benjamin.

Could incorporation as a village lead to lawsuits?
Yes. For example, in 1991, when the Village of Airmont incorporated in Rockland County and enforced strict zoning that kept out a growing Hasidic population, it was sued by the federal government and some Hasidic groups, who accused the village founders of trying to zone out Hasids. The village was forced to change its zoning.
But, says Benjamin, even this can work in favor of a village.
The petitioners would find themselves caught up in legal wrangling with the village government, which could be time-consuming and expensive, he said. That might persuade them to look for land elsewhere.
The village, on the other hand, could mobilize its resources to hire a lawyer to fight the lawsuit – an expense a volunteer group, such as the South Blooming Grove Homeowners' Association, could ill afford.

What are the drawbacks?
Another level of government. More taxes. More red tape.
"Generally it's a bad idea, no matter how you slice it," says Mike DiTullo, president of Mid-Hudson Pattern for Progress, a non-partisan public policy think tank.
There are too many local governments in New York, he said. "If you add up the cost of the county government and the cost of 40 municipalities in Orange County, it comes up to over $1 billion. That's why our taxes are so high."
DiTullo brushed aside concerns about growth. "Orange County is growing at a rate of 1 percent a year. It's not an explosion, by any means."
Benjamin, however, thought concerns about density and rate of growth were "genuine."
But, he said, "a government should be formed for affirmative reasons rather than defensive.
"I think the responsible thing for the town and county government to do is act as mediator to resolve the conflict, rather than let another whole level of government be formed."


ורוח הקודש אומרת כן יפרה וכן ירבה

יעצט געזעגענן יוסף90 עקשטיין וכל חנוכא דאית לכון מעתה ועד עולם איך האב ענק געגעבן געניג שטאף פאר א היבשע פאר שעה איך גיי יעצט ארויס איך וועל זיין צוריק שפעטער מאכטס א לעבן אבער א גיטס



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נשלח ב-12/7/2004 06:11 לינק ישיר 

איז דאס פראפגאנדע א טובה פאר קרית יואל?....
איז דאס פראפעגאנדע א טובה פאר וועד הקריה.....
ווער עס וויל קען שרייבען זיין מיינוג....
מיין מיינוג אז דאס וועט זיי לייגען אין דער ערד....
אין ברענגן אויף זיך גרויסע צרות ...
ימים ידברו....

תוקן על ידי - ekstein - 12/07/2004 6:13:03



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נשלח ב-12/7/2004 17:40 לינק ישיר 

ZISKEIT, ביסט אויפען קאפ געפאלען? וואס מיינסטע אז איינער האט זיך גענימען די מי איבערצוטייפען ווארט ביי ווארט דע ארטיקל פון משה לייב דייטש?

מע האט עס אריינגעשיקט תיכף פון משה לייב דייטשס קאמפיאטער קיין היידפארק.

ווער סע האט עס געטין ווייס איך נישט.



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נשלח ב-12/7/2004 17:57 לינק ישיר 

עקשטיין... וויין נאך...
ברעטשע און קוויטשע הויעך אויפן קול...

און הייב אן מיט דיינע קלוגע "חזיונות לילה"...
עטס וועט זיין ביטער...
עטס וועט חרטה האבן.

וד"ל
וד"ל
וד"ל
וד"ל
וד"ל



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נשלח ב-12/7/2004 18:30 לינק ישיר 

יונגלע יונגעלע טאנץ טאנץ

מאיר הירש אין אברהם ווידער אין ישראל יאנקעל סופר טאנצען שוין גארנישט
נאר זענען שוין ביזי מיט די לויערס
ווי אזוי מען קריכט ארויס פין דעם ספאט אויף וואס עס טוט זיך אפ אין וועד הקריה וואס וועט נישט אזוי שנעל אראפגיין פין טיש
ביז דערווייל טאנץ יונגעלע מיטן בענדל ווען עס וועט שוין זיין ארום דעם האלדז ווען שוין זיין צו שפעט



דער איירבישטער זאל העלפען עס זאל נישט שאטען פאר קיין שום איד (אפעלו ער איז אן ארוני) אין זיי זאלען נישט אריין ברענדען אידישע קינדער אין א סכנה

לא ירעו ולא ישחיתו בכל הר קדשי ואחרי כן יקרא לה עיר הצדק



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נשלח ב-12/7/2004 19:20 לינק ישיר 

ער איז פון די תושבי קרית יואל "הנאנחים והנענקים" (ווי "דער בלאט" שרייבט)



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נשלח ב-12/7/2004 20:26 לינק ישיר 

לעצטע נייעס.

אברהם ווידער האט יעצט געמאלדן אז ער גיט אויף די מעיארשאפט און גיט עס איבער פאר מענדל שווימער.

ווידער האט געליינט די שרעקליכע דראונגען און נביאות פונעם אפיס פון דער איד און אירע ראדאקטארן, און איז איבערצייגט געווארן אז די געפארן זענען גאר נאענט...

שווימער האט געמאלדן אז ער נעמט עס שוין איבער, ווי נאר ווידער פארלאזט דעם ווילידזש האל.

פארהאנג פאלט!

עקשטיין/געזעגענען אדער פראפעסאר ד. ביסט שוין אויפגעשטאנען.
אויב נישט לייג דיך צוריק.



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נשלח ב-13/7/2004 02:53 לינק ישיר 

וואס זאגט די רבי שליט"א וואס איז דער פאקטישער בעל הבית צו די נייע שטעטעל?

גייט ער קומען צו די אבן הפנה פונעם שטעטעל?

ר' ברוך ה. ש. זאגט מיר אז מרן רבינו שליט"א האט אמאל געזאגט אז דאס וואס דער רבי זי"ע האט געזאגט אז ווען נישט דאס שטעטעל וואלט ער גארנישט אויפגעטאן, פארשטייט ער דיי באגריף דערפון, ווייל דאס עס איז נישט דא קיין גרעסערע אויפטו ווי דאס הייליג שטעטעל, האט רבינו שליט"א אויסגעפירט אז ער איז מקנא דעם פעטער אז ער האט געבויעט אזא הייליג שטעטעל קרית יואל.

אבער יעצט ב"ה האט רבינו שליט"א אויסגעפירט זיין רצון, מיט לויב צו השי"ת.



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